Lost Theories Pt. 1

By John Cabrera on Jan 30 2009

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32 Responses to “Lost Theories Pt. 1”

1. Johnny Hugel on 30 Jan 2009 at 7:13 am #

   

   Interesting. So, were the shipmates the original island inhabitants? I think there’s reason to believe that Richard has been there forever, perhaps from the Black Rock, but I don’t know about the rest of the Others, Widmore included. Obviously the Black Rock had a Hanso/Widmore connection, but only Richard seemed aware of the islands oddities when speaking with Locke. Was Charles Widmore born on the island?

   Also, who do you think was the “leader” in the time period from Episode 3? We’ve seen Richard serve as the number two to Ben and Locke, but here he seemed to be the number one.

   Look forward to your other thoughts.

   I have a thought on what may have happened next, but don’t want to spoil your future posts, or anything for those who aren’t up to date.

2. Heidi on 30 Jan 2009 at 7:42 am #

   

   Oh man that is a great theory! I see all the points you made but I honestly never would have thought about connecting the dots the way you have. What a brilliant mind, and if it turns out to not be true on the show it’ll be their loss!

   I’ve now studied that picture of Jacob (won’t admit how long I stared at it) and it really does have a certain Locke-ness *insert joke here* to it!

   I never could put a finger on why Ben is always the same age no matter what is going on around him. So I’m curious if that will tie in with the island jumping like it does and when it’s revealed we’ll all have a really big “OH!” moment.

   I can’t seem to not think of Fantasy Island sometimes when I watch this show.

3. laura on 30 Jan 2009 at 11:30 am #

   

   I like you theory, and agree with all the points except #7 having to do with Locke. I think Locke is as old as he appears to be, but now that he has come to this island, because he is “special” he will stop aging. That could be what happened to Richard, too. He came to the island in the condition he is now, perhaps on the Black Rock, perhaps earlier. However, Ben aged on the island, correct? So maybe he is not “special” like Locke or Richard. I am suspecting that whenever the Oceanic 6 make it back to the island, Locke’s dead body will come back to life, just as he was healed when the plane crashed.

   I am looking forward to hearing your other theories!

4. Ed R on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:21 pm #

   

   John, I’m a HUGE ‘secret history of the world’ guy myself. We’re gonna have to talk about that some time.
   I have never seen an episode of Lost though. I’m waiting for it to all be available on DVD in one big package.

5. Linda Webster on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:27 pm #

   

   I thought perhaps you might have touched on the 4-toed statue we saw on the shore across the waters from the sailboat Sun and Jin were on at the end of Season 2(?) 3(?). That to me means an ancient civilization much older than the crew of the Black Rock (who are in my opinion, “The Others” – including Richard & Jacob). I think once an Other leaves the island, they will age again. For some reason, the Black Rock crew has not aged since they shipwrecked on the island. Would Richard age if he left? Yes, I think so, which is why Whidmore aged when he left. But HOW did he leave? Was he banished? He sure does want to find it again in a big way. Was Daniel’s mom an original Other? Is Daniel related to Whidmore? Is he his son? Is the cute little Other girl in the pigtails Daniel’s future mom who hasn’t left the island yet? Now that we know FOR SURE that Whidmore was on the island at some point in his life, this can of worms has exploded and I can’t wait to see what happens next!

6. John Cabrera on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:36 pm #

   

   Linda, ha! At around 3am, I took a post twice as long as this one and broke it into two. One of the first paragraphs of Pt. 2 starts off, “Not old enough for you?…. I can relate to that.” The big foot statue is the first of my observations in that one.

   Ed, right on. I knew there was a reason I started following you.

7. Rae on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:37 pm #

   

   First, and not related to what you have here but prompted your thoughts and the comments above, maybe the not aging thing is why pregnancies on the island don’t work? People keep focusing on that having to do with time travel but it makes sense that if people with a connection to the island don’t age, then a fetus wouldn’t ever be able to term.

   Second, still not directly connected to your theories but to something from Laura’s comment above, a friend of mine thinks Locke and Ben are going to turn out to be half-brothers (their mothers are both named Emily). I wonder if this could be the key to why Ben was selected to be a leader but still ages in a way the Others don’t? I’m not sure if it would be because he had to be in place to bring Locke to the island or if it’s more of that the wrong brother was chosen.

   Anyway, just random speculation on my part which pretty much ensures it won’t be anywhere near the actual story.

   All a part of some 19th century oceanic voyage.

   Love this if only because… Oceanic Air.

   I like it. I keep wondering how the Black Rock will play into things and this theory could definitely work. It’s weird to me that they would know all about the outside world if they’ve been on the island all this time. But I guess they clearly know how to get off the island since we know about Richard leaving to visit Locke.

   To support your theory, Young!Widmore was incredulous at the idea that Locke would know the island better than him. Just the way he said it made it seem like he’d been on the island for a long time at that point.

8. John Cabrera on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:44 pm #

   

   SEASON 5 SPOILER: And yes, Linda, I think you’re right about the cute little Other girl. I point out her hairstyle in the post… now compare that style to that of the woman Ben speaks to at the end of S5.E2… who I think most would agree is Faraday’s mother.

9. John Cabrera on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:55 pm #

   

   Rae, my theory about people not aging on the island is very close to yours. I had planned that for a Pt. 3 post.

   SEASON 5 SPOILER: And yeah, that’s what I was getting at when I pointed out Whitmore’s age on the island versus his age off. I don’t think that younger Whitmore is aging… so the kid could have been there for who knows how long. Good catch with the incredulous tone toward Locke… I missed how that might fit in!

10. Linda Webster on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:56 pm #

    

    And because I am a geek for this stuff, I think the casting of the girl was very clever because she has the same porcelain china doll features and hair of the actress who plays the woman Ben was talking to (who is also the woman who sold Desmond Penny’s ring), Fionnula Flanagan — who by the way, starred in a movie titled, “The Others”!.

    I can’t wait to read the rest of your theory!

11. John Cabrera on 30 Jan 2009 at 12:59 pm #

    

    I know! And Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood!!!! HOOOOOOLLLYYYY!!!!!!!……….. LOL!

12. itzel on 30 Jan 2009 at 1:06 pm #

    

    ok, yeah i’m with you in some of your theories and actually haven’t even thought that the black rock crew could be the others, but it sounds plausible. and i believe the blonde girl is Daniel’s mom, a.k.a Miss Hawking. and one of my questions is, what about Locke, is he the “leader” because he told Richard in the past? and that’s why he visited him when he was born and then when he was a little boy? im getting totally messed up with this time travel.

13. kelseroo on 30 Jan 2009 at 1:23 pm #

    

    Many of my friends have come up with Lost theories as well. Its funny how even the most detailed and thought out Lost theories really don’t have any concrete answers to anything. But of course that is the nature of Lost… I personally don’t see the resemblance to Locke in the Jacob picture. I can’t wait to hear your other theories, though! Always fun to read your blog posts:-)

14. John Cabrera on 30 Jan 2009 at 1:27 pm #

    

    SEASON 5 SPOILER: Itzel, yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re right about that. In fact @Just_Linda just pointed out something pretty hard to dispute… the little other’s name is Ellie and Daniel’s mom’s name is Eloise Hawking.

    Also, I think I should make clear that although I mention Richard Alpert as playing a part of this particular theory, I’m not so sure he fits into the actual crew of The Black Rock. If my theory is correct, we have a 19th century British sailing vessel carrying a Charles Whitmore, Eloise Hawking, a Jacob “Something”… and a Richard Alpert? Nah, that doesn’t have quite the same old-fashion ring to it. And no accent.

    So does Richard also play into the “Ancient” grouping in the Island mythology?

15. Just Jody on 30 Jan 2009 at 2:40 pm #

    

    I’ve been wracking my brains trying to figure out how the Black Rock fits into all these new developments, and I have to say your theory is the best I’ve seen so far!

    And all this discussion as to whether or not Richard was a part of that has me wondering if Juliette’s comment that “Richard’s always been here” was actually TRUE. Maybe he was there before all of them?

    Although, the picture you linked to of Richard with the longer hair and old clothes, does kind of make him look like a prisoner… perhaps from an old boat?

16. Linda Webster on 30 Jan 2009 at 2:48 pm #

    

    You have a good point about Richard. Plus, he’s most-likely American as he has no accent.

    Another thing I was thinking about over lunch… remember the opening scene of the premiere when Dr. Candle is seen playing a record for his baby? I thought pregnant women died on the island which is why Juliet was brought there. Maybe the bomb leaking had something to do with that.

17. kate on 30 Jan 2009 at 3:25 pm #

    

    I have no knowledge of Lost; I’ll have to ask my mom to catch me up I suppose!

18. DJSmackMackey on 30 Jan 2009 at 4:45 pm #

    

    The four toed statue foot is likely based on Richard. I don’t know why though. I think Jacob isn’t a ghost, but someone who has become unstuck in time. Remember that Richard met John Locke when he was little, and said something like he wasn’t the one he was looking for. It could very easily be true that John has other siblings he doesn’t know about. I think Jack’s father is alive again, probably also unstuck in time. Shit, there was something about Jack’s father’s name that I noticed and I’ve since forgotten. Besides the fact that his name is Christian Shephard. I mean, come on! Christ. Shepherd.

19. DJSmackMackey on 30 Jan 2009 at 4:54 pm #

    

    Oh snap, I don’t know why I didn’t put this together sooner!
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-97057222894136590

    I’ll bet this has a lot to do with it. We’re only going up to the 4th dimension. We need to look even further. alternate universes and totally separate timelines!

20. DJSmackMackey on 30 Jan 2009 at 4:57 pm #

    

    Oh, and doing a wiki search for Richard Alpert brings this up. Could be nothing, but it’s fun to think it might have something to do with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Dass

21. jake zim on 30 Jan 2009 at 5:07 pm #

    

    JP, good to know you’re on it. I have to agree that the most interesting unsolved mystery involves the ancient mythologies that we can onlyhope will be solved now that time travel has been intro’d.
    The foot statue – here’s my rough theory:

    The statue is of a four footed deity. Sawyer hurts his toe in episode 2 of this season. We’ve seen that. In an upcoming ep, he (I predict) gets timeswirled backwards to the age in which whomever built that statue existed. His toe takes a turn for the worse, without medicine, he has to amputate it to save the infection from spreading. No doubt he bites his toe off himself, or the loyal Juliet does it for him. The natives capture him, and are so impressed with his charm and with, they worship him as a god, THE FOUR TOED GOD, and build a monumental, Easter Island-esqu statue in his honor, that last the test of time until the hydrogen bomb goes off (now buried under the Hatch, which is built and used to diffuse the leaking bomb every 108 minutes, and topples the top half of the statue.

    Oh boy. I was way off.

22. John Cabrera on 30 Jan 2009 at 8:25 pm #

    

    DJSMACKMACKY, I know that Tenth Dimension video very well. LOL. It was actually going to be part of a totally separate blog post in Feb. Ha! Oh well.

    Anyway, you and Jake Zim both have theories similar to mine about that foot, and as I said to Linda Webster in a previous comment, Pt. 2 of this post deals with all the Ancient connections I’ve noticed on the island. I wrote both of them together, so I’ll be doing a little more work on it and post it soon.

    I will admit I’ve done some of that digging on Wikipedia for character names, connections, etc… but since it’s not clear whether the creators are simply paying homage to historical figures and literature with similar themes/backstories, I’m trying not to let that influence any of my hunches… even though it’s hard not to sometimes. hehe.

23. chaz on 31 Jan 2009 at 2:59 am #

    

    *season 5 spoilers*

    good theories. here’s what i think is going on: desmond and penny and baby charlie head back to the island, only they return to the island sometime in the 1930s. des and penny die and become known to flight 815ers as (Adam and Eve, the bodies found in the cave.) Little baby Charlie is raised by the Others (Alpert and crew). Later he is known as Charles Widmore. 1950s Charles Widmore says of Locke “you think he knows this island better than me?” (obviously because Widmore was raised on the island and knows it quite well.) Eventually Charles fathers his own mother, Penny. Desmond, Penny and Charles are stuck in a time loop. It’s how Des has the ability to ‘see’ the future and save Charlie several times, they’re actually his memories. All of this has happened before, and will happen again.

    In addition, I have a faint belief that Charles Widmore is also Daniel Faraday’s father, that’s its possible that Charles and Ellie hook up at some point, have relationship difficulties before Daniel is of age never really knowing his father, yet his father pays for his mistakes (see bed-ridden woman from last episode) and research.

    I love talking LOST theories.

24. K8 on 31 Jan 2009 at 7:39 am #

    

    Okay, that is a pretty good theory, I’ll admit. I never considered the Black Rock playing back into things, since it hasn’t been mentioned in a while, but I can totally see that.

    I do, however, think that the Jacob still kinda looks like this guy (Patrick Bauchau), and while it definitely ALSO looks like Terry O’Quinn, based on the nose, I’m not convinced that it is.

    Also, the theory that people don’t age on the island wouldn’t totally work because of Claire eventually having her baby, although she was ready to burst when she got there… so hmmm.

    And what about the healing aspect of the island? Locke’s legs, Rose’s cancer? I mean, the cancer healing or at least not progressing because of the time travel issue makes sense, but Locke’s legs?

    There’s so many questions still!

    I definitely agree that the island is very, very old and I think Richard Alpert is the key to that theory. That was a great catch on the Whitemore island-age/current-age thing. There will definitely be something to that I’m sure.

    I look forward to Posts 2 and 3.

25. SMARTACUS on 31 Jan 2009 at 10:04 am #

    

    I too am very curious about Richard Alpert. I’m very intrigued by who he is and what he means to the island. I see him as more of a “puppet master” to Ben and Locke rather than a #2. And not only did he visit Locke as a boy, showing him the compass and other items, he visited the hospital on the day Locke was born. We saw in this season that Locke tells him when he was born. So was this Locke sending him back for that visit on the day he was born? Or was he already aware of Locke and visited of his own accord? I do believe, I could be wrong, that Ms. Hawking (Fionnula Flanagan- loved her in Ya-Ya) is Daniel Faraday’s mother. He plays more of a role than he’s letting on. He was there when they discussed drilling holes below the surface. So how old is he, then? I also think looking at what they wear could be misleading since The Others were in “costume” half the time, and to the people on the island time is a very relative and elastic concept. As far as the mythology of the island I see the group as part of a secret society, similar to those tending the looms in the movie Wanted. They’ve been maintaining balance in the universe, preserving the future of mankind, monitoring the constant battle between good and evil, so on and so on. Now thisis all theatened as more people become aware oftheir existence. I think perhaps Widmore was a member of this group or at least became aware of its existence; he had to leave the island because he doesn’t share their altruistic motives. He’s been on this quest ever since to find the island and exploit its powers. I know there are holes in my theory, like what this game he and Ben have going on, but its just my opinion. My concern with all this is that the “rules” of time travel are respected. Daniel constantly tells them if it didn’t happen, it can’t happen, and that you can’t change the past. But by merely visiting “the past” they change it. Coming in contact with all those people, young Widmore, the blonde, for example, alters ever so slightly. Widmore killed his companion to keep him from talking. Did he die the “first time around”? Not to get too geeky-nerdy but I believe it’s Heisenberg’s Principle of Uncertainty- by simply observing an entity you alter it. Wow, now my head hurts.

26. SMARTACUS on 31 Jan 2009 at 10:07 am #

    

    ooh and one more thing… I have noticed since season 1 the use of historical andliterary figures for the characters’ names, whether they be characters themselves, authors, artists, prominent people in history, etc. Such as Sawyer, Hugo, Vincent, Austen, Locke, Juliet, Boone, to name a few. I wonder if there is a connection or if it’s just the writers tipping their hats to good writing.

27. leah on 31 Jan 2009 at 12:49 pm #

    

    Silly theory I have. After gathering all the evidence I believe it is the lost continent of Atlantis. Said to have been destroyed, but it could of jumped. You know the big underground wheel. Old tech. Wooden wheel? Then there is the foot of a very old statue near the ocean. Wasn’t there a massive statue of a god at a harbor in Atlantis. The ship could of been picked up when the island jumped in the 19th century. This might explain why it is in the middle of the jungle. The others could of been part of the crew or maybe some of them are part of the original islanders. That’s why they can come and go off the island. They understand some of the technology.
    Told you silly theory. But what do you think?

28. Ashley Dionne on 31 Jan 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    

    I think you may be on to something with your black rock theory, but I think it’s still to early to tell.

    I’m pretty sure Locke mentioned the year of his birth.

    Perhaps Richard’s a daywalker;)

29. viv on 01 Feb 2009 at 11:00 pm #

    

    lots of good ideas and theories.. so here is what I am thinking – WARNING- SEASON 5 SPOILERS-

    I thought that the young girl was called Terry? the girl that was in the bed was called teresa, I was under the impression that they were connected. When Des went to visit the girl, they told him that Daniel did something to her and she is kinda in a coma like state.. so I was thinking that the reason why she was in a weird coma was cause she was trapped travelling between time and cant get back to her own time.. kinda like an out of body experience.

    and what about charlotte? she keeps having dizzy spells and bleeding.. she also said she was there to find the place where she was born. I am under the impression that she was one of the few that was born in the island, and has traveled thru time so much that she is slowly dying.. she also speaks way too many languages, hence the theory that she has been in many places and times.

    also, when richard met young Locke and left upset after choosing the correct things, I think he left cause he was upset that he had been wrong about locke when meeting him in the old time when locke gave him the compass and didnt help him since locke had a time shift before he could believe him and give him answers on how to save the island. (did that make sense?)

    and jacob.. i tought that was Jack’s dad!? which of course is claire’s dad too, and she was sitting with him in the cabin.

    oh yeah, and I believe that the people who show up and disappear are not dead people.. they are just people who are travelling thought time and try to change the events.

    

30. Babsi on 01 Feb 2009 at 11:21 pm #

    

    Ashley Dionne:

    Yes, Locke mentioned his year of birth. It is 1956. Remember – he was talking to Richard in this camp and asked him what year it was. Richard said it’s 1954 and then Locke said that he isn’t even born yet because his year of birth is 1956.

    @johncabrera: Great post! Looking forward to part 2

31. @kate1976 on 02 Feb 2009 at 7:09 am #

    

    God I love reading all these theories but it has just made me realise how much I need to get the DVDs so I can rewatch all the previous seasons knowing what we know now. I also need to take notes because there are so many details! Great post, by the way…

32. evie on 03 Feb 2009 at 1:10 am #

    

    my sister and I think we’ve figured out Daniel Faraday’s mother… past and present.
    The blonde girl with the gun… which could explain why Widemore was funding Daniel’s research; he knew his mother… many thoughts on this.

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