Lost… now with more hieroglyphs
“Aww yeah.” That phrase was uttered at least a dozen times throughout this last episode. And in a variety of ways actually. I’d like to take you through as many as I can remember.
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“Dude on horseback” was almost Aww Yeah, but not quite… then as soon as I heard the English dude start speaking, I thought, “Aww yeah, I can’t wait to see one of those YouTube Face-Morphs for Widmore!” The casting of that actor was flawless.
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When Ben sees the picture of the Survivors and doesn’t recognize them, I said, “Aww YEEAH!” cause it must mean something has changed… that what Ben originally experienced is different from what has been affected by Sawyer and Co!
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But a moment later I remembered what Richard said about Ben forgetting everything after he’s taken to the temple… I was like, “aww… yeah, that’s right… hmmm. So maybe it’s not an alternate universe.” We all keep reading into those Dharma Welcome signs… is it possible the only reason they’re there is because the art department accidentally left them up?
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When Ben starts pushing his coats aside to open that door, you know I said aww yeah! That little water thing Ben did was pretty cool, but my gut tells me trying to figure out how it actually works would be a waste. My only guess is that since smoke can’t travel through water, this is how Smokerino is caged. But then that begs the question: had it been let out of its cage all the other times we saw it? By who? Ben? Why?
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So now we know Charles Widmore‘s history with the Island. Seems like he was banished sometime in the nineties after he started playing around with the Dharma Sub and an outsider… maybe one of the Oceanic ladies… Juliette? Kate? If so, that affair would probably start in 1977 with the younger horseback riding Widmore.
Okay so by the end of Season 4 he’s been searching for the Island for… about 10 years? Aww… yeah… that’s not as long as I thought. (that one sounded more like an um yeah than an aww yeah)
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But wait a minute, wait just one gawt damn minute. Ben steals Alex in 1987(88?)… and then brings her to The Others’… out in the forest? They’re not living in Otherton yet? So when was Dharma gassed? Had to have been after 87 right? Something doesn’t seem right with the timeline. So Danielle and crew shipwrecked on an Island still populated with the Dharma Initiative?…………. something about that… doesn’t… hmmmmm…… sounds like we might be dealing with……. alternate universes! Awwww YEAH!!!!!
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And Ben… I know some of you are haters, and I respect that, I do… but can we at least give that dude one low earthy Aww Yeah for some of the ‘good’ this episode has revealed. Awwwwwwwwwww Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhh. In fact, at the suggestion of @sarahsamudre, I’ve updated my post, Henry Gale or Ben Linus?: A List of the Good and Evil. Take a look at where he stands now. Let me know if you agree.
I think the most interesting thing we learned is that he can’t kill children. He’s fine with adults, but seems to believe the children are our future. My guess is his painful past makes him especially sensitive to kids. Maybe he’s afraid adults will always abuse or corrupt them. Awwwwwwww… Yeah, that’s pretty sad, don’t you think? Is that why The Others were so concerned with kidnapping the Oceanic 815 children?
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Okay, who called it? Someone here on my blog said Ben was going to get beaten up at the dock by Desmond. That’s why he was so bloody. @iitzelhv was that you? Anyway, thank god he didn’t succeed in killing Penny… at least I hope not. You all know, I’m a pretty big Ben fan, but even I kinda got into the pounding. With each punch I caught myself muttering through clenched teeth… you guesses it… “aww- yeah- aww- yeah- aww- yeah”.
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For being ancient, Egyptian, cracked and covered with weeds, Temple Perimeter, you got a definitive and practically operatic…. AWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!
Okay so what we thought was the Temple, is actually a wall. But not an ordinary wall you can just climb over. This thing seems to be a Goonies style maze, chock full of Wrooby Twaps, no doubt. Did you catch how far the Temple itself actually is? Over a mile! Is that a mile of maze you think? Or a mile of travel after they pass the wall? Man that deserves another aww yeah… and as I was watching the episode, it totally got one.
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“What lies in the shadow of the statue?” awwww… uuuuuuhhh… huh? That moment was a bit too cryptic even for me. And actually most of that stuff was… especially the big metal crate. Most likely it’s a secret password question used to identify their team. Probably a group of strangers hired by Widmore to be on that flight. But since she might have also been talking about the 4 toed statue I think an Aww Yeah may have slipped out. I’m torn on whether these are gonna be the people who end up shooting at Sawyer and Co. in the dueling canoes. It’s starting to feel more and more like it’s gonna be Ben, Locke, and Sun. Who do you think is gonna get Juliette’s bullet. Here’s my guess: if it’s the Ajira Losties then “Big Blue” is going… otherwise… Sun.
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The hieroglyphs inside The Temple Wall got a long series of very clipped and almost whispered Aww Yeahs. They began the moment Ben started looking around the chamber… but sadly ended when the smoke monster started doing that powerpoint presentation. Or rather, they changed… into a series of whiny Aww No’s. I think the occasional Aww Man may have even slipped in.
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Who didn’t squeak out a small aww yeah when Alex appeared at the end? Mostly cause we knew the episode was setting it up, and it’s always nice when one of your theories pans out. But I also thought the moment was an important part of Smokerino’s mythology.
I don’t think that was actually a resurrected Alex. I think it was Smokey… similar to the way it appeared to Eko as Yemi. And I don’t think Ben actually saw his mother on the Island as a child… I think that was also the Smoke Monster. I think Kate’s Horse was, too. I think Hurley’s nuthouse buddy was (on the island at least). And I think Christian is. I don’t think Eye Patch McGee was, though. I think he was just badly wounded by the sonar fence and then healed by the Island.
So I know what you’re thinking… is it possible that Locke is also the Smoke Monster? He could very well be. It would certainly add a level of significance to that Grim Reaper getup he was wearing when the Ajira survivors found him alive. Remember? He was wrapped up in a black robe… for some strange reason.
So did I like this episode? Aww, come on guys, don’t make me say it again. lol. How about instead, you tell me what you thought of the episode. What was your biggest Aww Yeah moment? Was it Caesar being blown away?
This Lost Post is coming soon. Hopefully later today. I still haven’t watched the episode, so pleeeeeaase no @reply spoilers via Twitter.
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Judson Collier on 09 Apr 2009 at 9:41 am #
Let’s just say you’ll have a lot to write about.
Jasmine on 09 Apr 2009 at 11:25 am #
You’ll get no spoilers from me, as I don’t actually watch “Lost”. I know! I consider myself “Lost”-adjacent, though, as everybody I know watches it. I’m sure I’ll get around to it eventually. As soon as I start and finish watching “The Wire” *and* BSG.
Kate on 09 Apr 2009 at 12:24 pm #
Welcome to my world of dodging Lost ‘spoilers’ in between the US and UK airing!!! Hope you had (are having?!) a good trip.
Pauline on 09 Apr 2009 at 1:36 pm #
Are you saying that you are going to be making a Lost post soon? Or are you saying that you are going to make a Lost post actually FROM the future? Or perhaps a Lost Post in the future tense? How about a lost post that is actually in the future right now and we have to somehow get to the future by following a very specific path of events in order to get onto the right future string so we can read it.
Wow… should I drive into town today or not? What if somehow the post office throws everything off and I never get to read the post. hmmmm. quandry.
Sheema on 10 Apr 2009 at 5:36 am #
I definitely though the same thing when I saw the dude riding on horseback. Only thing, he’s Australian, not English! I agree about Smokey pretending to be Alex!
Rae on 10 Apr 2009 at 5:37 am #
We all keep reading into those Dharma Welcome signs…
Wouldn’t Ben have commented on those signs if they were supposed to represent that something has changed? Or are we supposed to believe that he just didn’t notice them?
If something’s different, I wish we’d see more proof of that with other small things being different. Ben being back at Othertown would have been a good opportunity to show that since Emerson definitely could pull off a subtle confusion over things aren’t quite the same as the last time he was there.
That said, I’d gladly accept your idea that the timeline stuff not seeming to add up to what we knew before as proof that Sawyer and company are indeed changing the past. Anything, really, to explain the timeline stuff that’s annoying me!
I was 100% certain that Ben’s injuries came from an altercation involving Desmond and Penny but I’m not that they can explain how the heck Desmond and Penny sailed from England to LA in the amount of time we were given to believe passed between Desmond finding out about Faraday’s mother and showing up in LA.
I shared a lot of your Aww Yeah moments but didn’t like the episode nearly as much as you did. In fact, it was my least favorite of the season. But I must admit it’s because I’ve never liked Smokey and, five seasons in, I’m not sure there was ever going to be an explanation for it that would have retroactively fixed all of my issues with it. Definitely not what we saw here. It affected my enjoyment of the entire episode despite how good Emerson is… and how I did finally gain some real sympathy for Ben.
Johnny Hugel on 10 Apr 2009 at 5:53 am #
This episode had a bunch of “aww yeahs” as you put it, although mine might have been occasionally accompanied by some fleeting expletives. Caesar getting his may have been the biggest (I think he’s gone, while others like Doc Jensen seems to think otherwise.) But I got chills when Ben was talking to Sun and Frank in Alex’s room and they mentioned needing to find John Locke. It was one of times when they feel like all hope is lost (sorry), but we know what was lurking outside the window in classic John Locke fashion.
As far as your moments, I have a few thoughts:
#2 Your theory may still hold water since young Ben went back to live with Dharma between being healed and the purge, so he should have remembered the 815 people, even if he doesn’t remember the day they got there.
#4 I’m not sure what the process for “calling” Smokie signifies, cause how would you put it back in it’s “cage” if it’s only let out for specific reasons?
#5 I got the impression that Charles was using the sub to visit his outsider lady. Maybe the child birthing issues have begun, and he wanted to ensure his child was born safely off island.
#8 I was also glad he didn’t kill Penny and the beating scene was way rad. Although it doesn’t directly bring Desmond back to the island (or answer how Ben got all patched up and in a sling before he called Jack from a payphone at the marina)
#10 I think the canoe shot at scene follows Caesar being shot, or involves Ilana and Bram searching for Ben & Locke.
#11 Did the special effects get lost so they had to recreate them in fifteen minutes?
#12 I Don’t think Locke is the smoke monster, cause how would he be in danger of Ben killing him? An old theory I read linked the Smoke monster with Vincent & the appearance of Red Ginger flowers. I haven’t seen it updated in a while (or Vincent) so I can’t say whether it still holds up, but I agree that many of the apparitions we’ve seen thus far were Smokie.
Catherine on 10 Apr 2009 at 5:54 am #
First of all, these are a lot of Awww Yeahs, but as I watched it, it was nearly the same, just in “German”: Wie cool!
1. To me it was pretty clear that this was Widmore when he came to Richard. Just because of that simple en passant mentioning in the last episode. I agree with you that the casting of the young Widmore was perfect! And I didn’t know of these YouTube Face-Morphs. Thanks for the link!
2. Really interesting, cause it means that Faraday was wrong. I am still wondering where he is.
3. That fits what Hurley said in the last episode about young Ben and Sayid shooting him. “Wouldn’t he remember the man who nearly killed him?” But then Richard said this thing about forgetting everything and that seemed to be a good explanation for old Ben not knowing the Jack, Kate, Sawyer etc. before.
6. I gave up a long time ago to figure out what time it is. Everythings so confusing.
8. So glad Penny is alive. And it was pretty cool to let us know what happened to him before the flight so soon. But I have the impression that in this season everything is answered soon. They are running out of time, aren’t they? Just some episode and one season left to explain all puzzles.
10. That would be very tragic if Sun dies just after she arrived on the island to find Jin.
I agree with you that this password-thing was very cryptic. i also thought about the four-toed-statue first. Hope we will get some answers for that soon. You therory about Widmore’s team is good. Can’t wait to see who they are.
Mike on 10 Apr 2009 at 6:07 am #
Caesar getting shot was definitely an “Aww Yeah” moment. Thought he’d be around for a bit. When he and Ilana first showed up on the show he seemed like the shady one, and I thought she would be the more rational of the two. Liked that twist. I like your theory that her cryptic comment was a team identifier. Isn’t the Orchid in the shadow of the statue? I have no idea to what extent Locke is still Locke. He definitely seems a little more in the know, which made this go around for him and Ben all the more interesting, with Ben taking up the role of the less knowledgeable. John walking around does seem to scare him, not to mention the telling line, “What’s about to come out of that jungle I have no control over.” Cue Locke. I don’t think Locke’s resurrection was anywhere in the lexicon of Ben’s expectations. Alex’s kidnapping was anticlimactic I thought. I also don’t buy that Rousseau wouldn’t recognize the man who took her kid when she has him trapped in a net. But I guess there’s nothing to say that she didn’t. I don’t think Dharma was gassed before the kidnapping. I think Ben was a double agent so to speak. Why and how Ethan was there I’m not sure, but if you go by what Horace’s ghost told Locke, that he’s been dead for twelve years, that puts the purge in ’92. Rousseau was definitely on the island, how she survived the gassing, not sure. Hopefully we get more on that. I’d say Widmore’s off island excursions started after they took over Dharma. So some time in the 90′s. Later, it seems wrong, when he tells Ben he’s been searching for the island for nearly 20 years, but maybe when he got back to the mainland it was in an earlier year than on the island. I’m on team Ben so it was nice to see he has some redeeming qualities. Felt bad for him. Alex was definitely Smokey, and that was one hell of a warning. Wonder how long before he begins scheming again. What do you think Ben thinks about Christian? Looked a little surprised when he heard his name.
DJSmackMackey on 10 Apr 2009 at 6:39 am #
I must have been out of the room when Ben didn’t recognize them. Now I have to rewatch the episode.
I knew his bruises and cuts were from his confrontation with Desmond and Penny, but I thought for sure he would kill her. I was very happy to find he had a change of heart. I really liked Ben overall in this ep, even if he did kill someone, AGAIN!
I don’t think Caesar is dead though. He’s not a huge star, but he’s a recognizable actor, and we haven’t seen his backstory yet. Either he was protected, or the island will heal him.
I don’t think Ben was uncaging the Smoke Monster, he was summoning it. maybe the water was just there from a rain storm.
Now we just have to find pictures of all the hieroglyphics, especially the Anubis and Smokey one.
Oh, and if it is a maze wall, maybe a minotaur is at the center.
sarahsamudre on 10 Apr 2009 at 7:59 am #
“What lies in the shadow of the statue?” seems like “What did one snow man say to the other?” (fueling my theory that there’s a Widmore-Dharma connection unexplored as of yet).
Alright, so not to rain on the Neb parade, but the Purge hasn’t changed:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Purge
It always took place in 1992. So that scene with Ben pushing Alex on the swings in New Dharmaton could take place *right* after the Purge- making me wonder if the Purge was Ben’s initiating act as leader. Because this week’s episode showed Ben sparing Rousseau, saving Alex and palling around with young Ethan pre-purge- would it be too much to wonder if he’s not the mass murderer we think he is? Could that’ve been Widmore’s call, or was it Ben’s? Part of me has always thought Widmore was the one to bring Dharma to the Island, so sadly, my money is on Ben leading the Purge as part of Widmore’s ousting.
Oh and the fact that Ben doesn’t remember the Losties? Either he lied, or they don’t stick around for long after Ben rejoins the DI in ’77. Locke is trying to reunite Sun and Jin, after all. Maybe his new Island intuitiveness will make them all blip to a common time period, perhaps a time period in conjunction with the oncoming war we keep hearing about.
Last- I am starting to believe that Locke is no longer the Locke that we knew. I’m also thinking Locke could be the Smoke Monster. He knew where it lived, seems strangley not himself, and disappeared when the Monster showed up.
Alright, I’m running over to the Ben post…
John Cabrera on 10 Apr 2009 at 8:44 am #
Yeah, someone else mentioned the 12 years Horace has been dead thing, so yeah, 92 is right. But there’s still something strange about all of this, and I hope it’s more than the writers just tryig to squeeze everything into the box they already built. It’s true about Danielle not recognizing Ben in her trap. Why not? He was even dressed the same way. And if the Darma was exterminated in 92 then Alex’s age on the swing would mean they’ve only been living in Otherton for a year, tops. That’s enough time for Widmore to getting busy with an outsider? And how was he going back and forth from the Island without the sub? And we do get a sense that whatever he’s been doing off the Island has been for Widmore empire. It just all seems so fast… so compressed.
It’s true that if the Sawyer and Co. are able to get out of 77 before Ben returns it would explain why he doesn’t remember them. But it wouldn’t explain how he totally still remembers his Dad and the entire Dharma Initiative. He begs young Widmore not to go back. Did Richard mean, “He will not remember any of the characters that will make this Time Traveling plot difficult to explain.”?
Pauline on 10 Apr 2009 at 9:26 am #
My Aww Yeahs… were more like Aw MAN’s! lol.
I still think Ben is on the original timeline when he sees the photo with Jack, Kate, etc. If that is the case, it stands to reason that he wouldn’t remember them being in Dharma. Perhaps the Dharma compound looks the way it does because Ben and co. landed on an island whose timeline was changed from their own. Perhaps that magnetic barrier that makes the island hard to find, protects the outside world from all the shifts and jumps in time?
The Purge was indeed in ’92 in the original timeline.
Um… that doesn’t make sense though if Charles found a woman off the island. Penny had to have born on the island and not after when the others gained control of the sub. Penny meets Desmond at a monestary in ’94 and both look to be all grown up.
Something that has been bugging me. After my Pet Cemetary comment last week, I’ve been thinking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer… a lot. ‘Coming back to life after death’ themes were a big chunk of that show. But last night the Buffyness of it all hit me even more when Smokey used the guise of Alex. And then Mr. Cabrera mentioned all the others on the island who were probably smokey also. Um. “The First?” Anyone? Any BtVS fans here? After all, BtVS Producer/Writer Drew Goddard now writes for Lost as does BtVS comic writer Brian K Vaughan.
Wow… Vaughan did write Dead is Dead. hmmmm. And wait… in season 7 of Buffy… didn’t she visit an egyptian tomb somewhere in Sunnydale?
Anyway… I’m still on the string theory band wagon… even failed miserably at drawing a graph. Oh well.. I just hope we get to see the others’ young guns, cowboy jungle camp again next week.
Oh… and I was bummed that Ben didn’t have a full on Raiders of the Lost Arc trial under the temple instead of that lame Wizard of Oz type smoke tornado flashback thing. hmph.
DJSmackMackey on 10 Apr 2009 at 2:08 pm #
Did they ever say that Penny was concieved off the island? I think he only said that he has a child with an outsider, and that he’s been leaving the island. Penny may have been born on the island by one of the Dharma initiative people.
Judson Collier on 10 Apr 2009 at 2:10 pm #
I didn’t read all of these responses, but it’s interesting to note that just last week Sawyer and Kate we’re also going through the “Save the Child” conversation for Ben himself! Coincidence? I think not.
dumptruck molly on 10 Apr 2009 at 3:25 pm #
i don’t agree with alternate realities at all. especially not theories based on the appearance of the barracks. in Ben’s house you can see the Risk board that Locke and co were playing when Keamy and his team came in. the village is the same. it looks worse because it’s been sitting unused for 3 years, and was blown up pretty badly before our folks left the island/started time traveling.
Widmore didn’t have relations with any of the ladies from DI, or our ladies. he had relations with an outsider off island, which is how he had Penny and built his fortune. and i’m pretty sure that the hostiles/others have ways of leaving the island on their own. Tom went to visit Michael to recruit him on the freighter after Locke destroyed the sub.
yes. Rousseau and her team were on the island when the DI were on the island, they crashed in 1988ish. Rousseau was in hostile territory, the DI couldn’t do anything about that. the DI folks weren’t purged until 1992-ish. which is interesting to think about because the folks in the Swan kept on going even though everyone else was killed, that’s why no one came to relieve their posts – their replacements were dead. that’s also why Kelvin was there and was also able to be in the gulf war where he met Sayid. he was in one of the last recruitment rounds for the DI. there’s nothing wrong with the timeline, there’s no alternate universe.
good call on thinking the bounty hunter lady and crew are the ones to shoot at Sawyer and co! that makes sense. Locke and Sun wouldn’t shoot all willy nilly like that. i like the idea that they were hired by Widmore.
i think that Locke is real. i think that he and Richard are the same now. my idea is that Richard is immortal because he died and was resurrected by the island, was given all the secrets of the island and does not age. i still don’t know what to make of Christian, but I think he’s also real. everyone else is smokey the bandit, except eye patch guy. he’s real and is just lucky.
dumptruck molly on 10 Apr 2009 at 3:38 pm #
i always type too much and run out of room. oops.
my biggest moment (although my moments were “snap!” moments, which i never say except for when i’m watching LOST) was when Ben shot Desmond. i love Desmond more than anything in the world and have been anxiously waiting to find out what happened! i’m so happy everyone is likely okay.
the whole episode was full of shock and awe moments! i loved it when Alex told Ben she would “destroy” him! she was totally a manifestation of smokey robinson.
i love that Ben has a soft spot for kids. i love that we got to see so many bad sides of him, but a lot of good, too. it’s interesting to think about him not wanting to kill people when he took Alex, and then seeing him much older and more willing to kill. what happened to him?
i still don’t think that the purge was all Ben’s doing, i don’t think he was yet in charge, but i always thought it was what helped bring him to leadership. but i don’t think it was his call. if we’re in a Team Widmore vs Team Ben i will say that Ben is more of the “good guy”. Ben broke my heart in a lot of ways in this episode, but deep down i still think that in the end what he was going for was the right thing, he just got off track and i think that he will redeem himself. he is capable of true honest human emotions; he loved Alex with all his heart and he truly felt sorry for her death. and i think he felt sorry for what he did to Desmond. but you can’t always believe what you see or hear from Ben, which is another reason why i love him so much, still… even though he shot Desmond.
also… much love to the person talking about buffy! many buffy/angel writers work on LOST now and i’m happy that all my favorite things are connected. although i would like to think that smokey is better than the first. i don’t want to believe that deep down the island or the island natives are evil.
Pauline on 10 Apr 2009 at 4:22 pm #
DT Molls,
I’m totally hoping that Drew and Brian learned a thing or two about how much the viewing public hated the first cause if smokey is only helping certain people to eventually knife them in the back… I’ll be VERY disappointed.
also… you said, “i don’t agree with alternate realities at all. especially not theories based on the appearance of the barracks. in Ben’s house you can see the Risk board that Locke and co were playing when Keamy and his team came in. the village is the same. it looks worse because it’s been sitting unused for 3 years, and was blown up pretty badly before our folks left the island/started time traveling.”
Awesome catch!!! I totally didn’t notice that. but it still doesn’t explain the photos of the DI still there. Had they been there all along and we just didn’t notice?
DJ, No one has said where Penny was born or conceived… I think it’s all just timeline conjecture.
John Cabrera on 10 Apr 2009 at 5:04 pm #
I agree P, Dumptruck makes some good points. And as most of you probably realize, my fixation with the alternate reality thing is partly in jest. The truth is there is plenty that still doesn’t add up. Some have been listed here in the comments. Widmore saying he’s been searching for the Island for 20 years but only being ousted for 10. Danielle not recognizing the dude who stole her kid fifteen years later even though he is one of the only people she’s seen in 15 years (and he’s even wearing the same ratty Other costume when she catches him in her trap). A super smart guy like Ben totally not seeing these pictures of the Oceanic survivors in Dharma… not in 10 years?! Danielle not recognizing Jin 15 years later when she meets the Oceanic survivors. Penny’s age versus when Widmore starts using the sub to leave the Island (although I do agree with you Smacks, having a child with an outsider doesn’t have to mean someone “outside” the Island.
Also I’m not so sure the Sub had been blown up before Tom went to meet Michael. The Sub was destroyed close to midway through Season 3. The Freighter arrived towards the end of Season 3… with Michael. That’s not much time… not even if Tom left at the beginning of Season 3. Unless time is years ahead outside the Island… and if that’s the case, why not alternate universes? Why not anything for that matter?
Here’s the thing about alternate universes, they can be completely different… or they can be almost exactly the same, save for one or two tiny details.
Itzel on 10 Apr 2009 at 8:46 pm #
Two days later and finally I watched the episode, loved it, and yes! in another post I totally wrote that maybe Ben was in the docks to kill Penny and that’s why Desmond punched him
So the theory was correct and fortunately Penny’s still alive. I have to say that I fell even more in love with Ben’s character in this episode, I mean he’s not that bad at all, there were lots of awww moments for him.
About the alternate realities, I’m still with you on that, and I was totally waiting for some kind of comment from Ben as they entered Otherville, something along the lines of “wow, why is that old Dharma recruitment sign still there?”, but alas, nothing was said. Still, as you put it, it’s quite suspicious why Ben wouldn’t see that Dharma picture with the ’77 Losties before… something isn’t right there.
And Pauline, yeah Smokey could sound like The First, but I hope we have a better explanation of him rather than the Island is located on top of the Hellmouth or something, lol.
And now John, I’m totally waiting for a post completely dedicated to the hieroglyphs seen in this episode hehe.
Yashoda on 11 Apr 2009 at 3:55 am #
There had to have been another way to and fro the island, otherwise Richard wouldn’t have been able to turn up at various points in Locke’s life!
K8 on 13 Apr 2009 at 5:53 pm #
tOkay, I think all of my thoughts have been addressed here… for the most part, but I’ve thought a lot about this and I wanna get it out there.
I’m in agreement with SARAHSAMUDRE about Locke not being Locke. I’ve been thinking that since they got back (to the island), but it was definitely made more apparent in this past episode. For starters, I think Locke would be carrying a bit more of a grudge that Ben talked him down off that table only to kill him violently. Ick.
All along we’ve been lead to believe that the island brought Locke (and Christian) back to life (both arrived in coffins), but I am now convinced that not only is John Locke dead, his appearance is being brought to us by.. Smoky!
The Smoky actually being dead people theory started to form after the appearance of Alex, also deceased.
Ben summons Smoky and tells it/he/she “I’ll be outside” or whatever he said, and then he goes outside and no Smoky, but sure enough… John Locke comes out of the bushes. I think if John had been standing there when Ben went outside, rather than coming out of the bushes shortly after (as if summoned), that wouldn’t have stuck out in my mind as much.
Then, Ben falls down through the ground and once John goes to look for something to pull him out of there, Smoky appears out of that grate thingy. Then the stupid Wizard of Oz flashes for Ben, and only after Smoky disappears do we see Alex. Then, only after the exit (by way of vanishing) of Alex, re-enter John Locke, as calm and casual as ever.
So, in addition to this, there is Christian. So, Christian told Sun to wait in Alex’s room for John Locke to come? How would he even know who John Locke is? Convenient that Christian is no where to be found once John Locke comes around. So, we’ve never seen two dead people together. The exception to this MAY be Claire and Christian, but I don’t think Claire is dead. I think they’re leaving that open for a later reveal.
My take on this already established theory.
Pauline on 14 Apr 2009 at 10:26 pm #
Christian might know who John Locke is because he’s been hanging around Jacob who definitely knows who he is.
leah on 16 Apr 2009 at 9:03 pm #
Um I had a question about the glyph that they showed briefly where the smoke monster came out of the stone grate. I know that it has been touched on and this has been brought up before, but couldn’t the statue and the figure above the grate be Seth. He was the god of the desert, storms, and violence. Mr. Smokie Joe looks like a violent storm to me. Could it be that Seth uses the smoke monster to deal out justice. Or perhaps It IS Anubis. He was guide of the dead. A lot of freaking death happening. I don’t know just wondering what the brain trust thinks.
K8 on 17 Apr 2009 at 12:50 pm #
Pauline – Yes. You are absolutely right. That’s why I rarely post my thoughts about Lost, because I always forget about giant details like that. I’m still stickin’ with the theory that smoky IS Christian, though.
Pauline on 17 Apr 2009 at 9:50 pm #
K8 ~ That is why I like this blog so much… because john and all your guys remember the details. It refreshes my brain and then I can talk about the show like I actually remembered what happened. (I’ve actually been jotting down notes lately like I used to do while watching Buffy and Angel. Yes… I’m a dork like that!)
I still think he is acting rather Locke-like. As if he is having his second rebirth… the first happened after the Oceanic crash when he woke up and was able to walk… and this time he woke up not dead. I’m sticking to this because I really don’t want to see the leader of the island end up to be some sort of smoke monster. We’ve been being set up to accept Locke as the new leader for along time. I’d hate to see it go down like that. I mean… there is already a Jacob… who seems like some kind of mystical deal… I’d like my Locke living.
(and this is all just what I would like to believe… not what is probable…)