Lost for words
I know it’s a cliché title. I’m sure hundreds of Lost recappers have used it… but honestly… I have nothing to say about this episode of Lost. Interpret that however you’d like.
Instead I’m gonna take this opportunity to share a few more observations; wrap them up in a pretty little package and place it under your tree. I like this way of rolling with my theories. Prevents me from writing myself into a corner.
WARNING: MUCH OF THIS AWESOME THEORY HAS AWESOMELY IMPLODED.
Okay, so this one starts with Claire’s baby Aaron (who wasn’t in this episode, but who was a mysterious part of the plot none the less.)
Aaron is 3 years old in present day Los Angeles, right?
And we can presume that Desmond and Penny’s son Charlie is a few years younger than that, since he was born off of the island.
The other Charlie we knew on the Island (Dominic Monaghan) had a brother Aaron a few years older than him (Claire later named her baby after that Aaron).
We don’t know much about [the] brother[']s Charlie’s and Aaron’s early years; their upbringing. But we do know that Charlie has a certain relationship to Catholicism. It would be fair to assume they were both raised Catholic.
But there seems to be something else. I don’t know about you, but to me Charlie’s return to the church in one of his Season 1 flashback, feels almost like a return to his home than to his faith. It doesn’t feel like the church is something he was simply raised to respect… so much as a place he was actually raised IN.
An orphanage?
And here’s an interesting thing about adult Aaron that didn’t seem to make much sense at the time… remember when Charlie traveled to meet Aaron; begged him to start up the band back up? Charlie was a drugged out mess, while Aaron was all cleaned up, living in… Australia? I’m guessing not far from where Claire was living; not far from where another Aaron had already been conceived.
So what compelled adult Aaron to start a family in Australia? Another return to “home”, perhaps?
Is it possible with all of this time looping happening now, Claire’s little Aaron and Desmond’s baby Charlie… are actually the same “brothers”, Charlie and Aaron, we’ve already met.
Is it possible the two children will eventually be zapped back to the 70s where they[he]‘ll be raised as biological brothers; either with a foster parent… or in a Catholic orphanage. UPDATE-02-22-09: @james_gunn and @terranaomi just reminded me of some of the early childhood scenes with Charlie (including the swimming scene and the Christmas scene.) So this has become less likely.
Is that why the fortune teller told Claire “You are not supposed to raise this child!”… or something like that.
So there’s my weekly Lost bit. This one may be a little out there… well… it’s Lost. Anything else to add to this specific set of observations? Anything I’m forgetting that you think topples this house of cards?
NOTE: The house of cards fell less than 1 minute after this sucker was posted. Charlie’s brother’s name was Liam… not Aaron. LOL. Thanks @baneen.
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Erik on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:32 pm #
This theory blows my mind. I’m trying to wrap my head around it, but I love it. It makes me want to go back and watch all the Charlie flashback episodes again now.
Erik on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:38 pm #
Dammit, that was a fun theory. Maybe the reason Kate didn’t want Jack to know where Aaron is (“Don’t evvvverrrrr ask me ever!”) is because she gave the baby away, and in an effort to keep him hidden and protected, whoever’s now taking care of baby Aaron has changed his name…..to Liam!
John Cabrera on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:40 pm #
I’m telling you, I was really thinking that the whole giving away the baby thing had something to do with all of this.
Baneen on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:43 pm #
I still want to know why she didn’t have to bring Aaron on the plane, surely they ALL needed to go back? Wasn’t that part of the condition? Although obviously it worked even without him, but still….gah confused…
Manos Torgo on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:52 pm #
Well I liked where you were headed with that. Also claire was told NOT to give up the baby thats why it seemed like a whole Rosemarys baby thing which seems to have been dropped.Like many other side plots.
I found the whole expository scene beneath the church to be verrrry boring and I love what’s her name on Brotherhood.
John Cabrera on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:54 pm #
This episode was really fragmented. We have to imagine there were large episode long gaps between events… How did Sayid get arrested? That’s an episode. How did Hurley get out of Jail?… another episode. What happened to Aaron?… another episode. Why was Ben beaten up? Episode.
But this one was just all the stuff around it. Makes sense you were confused, B.
Marmalady on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:54 pm #
As someone who doesn’t watch Lost, this post maybe my favorite! lol
At least, it’s the one that makes the most sense!
=)
Baneen on 19 Feb 2009 at 2:57 pm #
my theory…Kate gave Aaron to his real grandmother; “Ghost Charlie” told Hurley he had to get on that plane, he’s the only one he’s listen to; Sayid was being extradited & being escorted by a marshall (thereby becoming the new Kate) & Desmond beat Ben up for possibly trying to off Penny (he was at a dock when he called Jack wasn’t he?).
John Cabrera on 19 Feb 2009 at 3:06 pm #
Kate gave Aaron to Grandmother: Hmmm… makes sense. But lame flip flop.
Hurley listens to Charlie: I figured that’s the explanation.
Sayid is Kate surrogate on plane: yeah, that was pretty clear… but how did he get arrested… what’s the story there?
Ben beaten by Desmond: I like that one a lot! What if he didn’t try… what if Ben succeeded?!
Baneen on 19 Feb 2009 at 3:12 pm #
what I don’t get is…Charles Widmore has been trying to get back to the island right? But he knew about Daniel’s mother, so why didn’t he just get her to tell him how to get back? He surely can’t have been unaware of what she was doing? And he’s got it in for Ben already, so if Ben did succeed in getting rid of Penny, he’s going to be even more pissed at him. What would he do?
Steffany on 19 Feb 2009 at 3:31 pm #
Baneen… I’m with you.
- Ghost/dream Claire told Kate don’t ever take him back to the island. I think Kate gave Aaron to Grandma.
- Hurley had a guitar case… I think Charlie told him to get on the plane the only other person I think that could get him on that plane would be Walt.
- Ben killed Penny! That’s what I thought, didn’t he promise to get Widmore back for killing his daughter? He left the church to tie up a loose end? He def. went after Penny, maybe that will bring Desmond back to the island.
ed r on 19 Feb 2009 at 3:35 pm #
So in the world of lost,a kid can’t have his name changed?
John Cabrera on 19 Feb 2009 at 3:58 pm #
Ed, hmmmmmm….. I’m not sure actually. Can someone else shed some light on that?
Gemma on 19 Feb 2009 at 4:06 pm #
Well you impressed me. But then again I’ve never seen Lost!
Ashanti on 19 Feb 2009 at 6:21 pm #
Riddle me this Batman, Ben said if the turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel he couldnt go back right? Right? Well why did he get on the plane to go back to the island. wait let it sink in 3….2….1… I know right BOOM L O S T!
itzel on 19 Feb 2009 at 8:32 pm #
wow just saw the episode! and i hope Ben didn’t try or didn’t succeed in killing Penny. I also don’t think Aaron is with grandma, cause that’s the most logical thing to do, there has to be another explanation, but he had to come back right? how is everything gonna work out when we see Claire in the island? And my big question here is, ok we saw Jin as being part of the Dharma, we now know the Flashies are stuck in that time, but we also now Ben killed all of Dharma people, and the past can’t be changed, does that mean some of the Losties “working” right now for Dharma will die? idk idk, this episode was great! and i likes your theory, and didn’t even realize his name was Liam, you got me going for a while there.
Johnny Hugel on 19 Feb 2009 at 9:45 pm #
The tone just kinda threw me off, it seemed really heavy handed and jokey (grandad). I was kept expecting either someone to wake from a dream.
There were a few choice parts, like the reference to Jack waking alone in the bamboo.
Shelley on 19 Feb 2009 at 10:02 pm #
It’s funny, but my best friend swears that Desmond and Penny’s son Charlie will one day be that guy from Driveshaft. It really does make sense because of the connection between Desmond and Charlie.
About Sayid being arrested: I had the quick thought through my head that the Marshall escorting Sayid was in on it. She being one of Ben’s numerous connections. I mean this is Sayid for goodness sakes.
BabsiS on 19 Feb 2009 at 10:37 pm #
That theory was…. friggin AWESOME! MY GOD!!!!
John Cabrera on 19 Feb 2009 at 11:25 pm #
Wow, I’m glad so many people liked my theory… even though half of it requires that Claire’s baby be named Liam or Charlie’s brother be named Aaron. Which neither are, as @baneen so graciously pointed out. LOL.
It just goes to show, if you wanna play with the big boys, you GOTTA double check your facts. Lessoned learned.
But there are a few interesting parts to this theory that still work.
I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say that Aaron will change his name to Liam (I know what you were trying to do there @edrafalko, thanks), but it’s still very likely baby Charlie will become orphaned at some point.
I know no one wants to imagine it, but if Penny is killed, that increases his orphANibility by a lot. Desmond will no doubt seek revenge. And because the island is trying to bring back the original cast for good, it’s unlikely Desmond would return from the Island to raise Charlie.
Of course the big question is how baby Charlie would get zapped back to the 70s. It would have to be from the island… meaning Desmond would probably take him along.
And yeah, Shelly, I also thought about the special bond Charlie and Desmond had in Season 3. Another interesting element to all of this.
And even though Aaron is probably not Liam… there does seem to be something significant about Liam living in Australia…. no? Or do you think the writers just needed that coincidence to explain why Charlie ended up on Oceanic 815.
Anyway, since people are digging some of this, I’ll undelete sections that still seem to work…. even though, you gotta admit… the page looks pretty awesome all crossed out.
Rob Gokee on 19 Feb 2009 at 11:28 pm #
You had me both excited and hooked all the way until the last line, when I realized that I too had forgotten Liam’s name. But the theory is amazing and if it’s true in some way I will be blown away.
John Cabrera on 19 Feb 2009 at 11:31 pm #
Johnny, you and I couldn’t agree more on this episode.
Ashanti, yep… that gonna be a tough one for them to explain.
Itzel, creepy. But I have no doubt in my mind. How about this… were any of the Dharma skeletons in that mass grave Ben showed Locke… the remains of any of our survivors?????
Pauline on 20 Feb 2009 at 1:59 pm #
I enjoyed your theory… good thinking there… and I’m sorry it won’t work out due to the whole Liam thing…
I’m attempting to putting any stock into theories after this episode. Now that we know the true nature of the island (and how this doesn’t quite gel with the notion that a submarine would be the only way to find the island ~ yes, I’m still hung up on that vessel that Locke exploded so long ago…. as well as what the heck happened to the other island and does it jump around too? huh?)
I’m beginning to wonder if this is another David Lynchian viewing experience where the producers and writers didn’t know who killed Laura Palmer until the prop guy accidentally was captured crouching behind a couch in a shot and caused a giant light bulb of creativity over the Lynch’s head and in that moment “Bob” was born.
I feel like the submarine is Leland Palmer, Locke is Laura Palmer, Jack is Agent Cooper, Charlie was Maddie, Ben is Leo, Jacob is the Log Lady and the island is The Black Lodge where Richard Alpert is the little man from another place.
I’m afraid the series will end when they finally get Sherilyn Fenn to appear on the island, tie a cherry stem into a knot and then blammo blow the who entire island to bits.
Teresa-S on 20 Feb 2009 at 7:16 pm #
I’m in total agreement on the “substitutions” theory. Faraday did say they needed to try to create the same senerio as before to increase their chances of the island letting them back in.
My additional thought…Besides the obvious Sayid/Kate switch,possibly Hurley/Charlie with the guitar and Locke subbing for Jacks dad…What if the Jack and Kate lovefest resulted in a bun in the oven? Not only would the baby fit into a Kate/Claire sub, but also a major twist in the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle.