Ooooookay! We are back!
Now, don’t get me wrong, I would definitely classify myself as an “oh no, it’s a Jack episode” guy. I typically can’t stand them. So of course, when the “Previously on” started with all that recap footage of Jack coming off the plane, I thought, “great, it’s a threepeat”. I mean, I was already going into the episode knowing it was gonna be more Temple stuff… already dreading Japanese translation and Sayid’s strange new “autistic voice”.
But man, was I wrong.
I mean yes, Sayid, had a touch of it going on, but thankfully the translation seems to have run its course. More importantly, though, Jack was specjackular… at least, that’s how I felt. I’m sure there were plenty of Jack haters out there unable to see past the open sore on his forehead. And that’s fair. I mean it’s true. That thing is really disgusting.
[the following paragraph is based on a recent tweet.]
It’s funny… we’re so used to seeing wounds on TV heal overnight, that it seems odd when someone on a series has an oozing open one for like 4 episodes in a row. I know it’s totally unrealistic, but I’m dying for that juicy thing to heal. It’s just sick. And on a show that’s seen multiple gun shots wounds heal within episodes… an appendix, a noose burn, even a back surgery… what’s up with that nasty rash?! I mean can’t Mr. Myagi at least put some Neosporin on it?
Although, maybe it’s a clue… about the healing properties of the Island itself? Maybe they’re gone.
Wait a second…….. what if drinking the water on this Island had healing properties? What if trace amounts of this Island’s water comes from the same source as the Temple Spring? From below the Island. Perhaps it was simply by drinking small amounts of it that the Losties’ bodies were able to heal faster. Maybe this wound on Jack’s forehead is suppose to tell us something. That the water is now worthless.
Whatever… it’s gross. Even just a bit of powder would make it easier to look at.
Regardless, though, I had a great time with Jack this episode. I mean first of all, he has a son in this Alti-verse! What?! And the son hates him too! Which is totally understandable, since this Jack is apparently way more self absorbed than our Island Jack. The following was pointed out by @JessTheVagabond… who notices these kinds of things:
I mean, take a look at the manscaping of our Alti-Jack! That dude was totally shaving his chest while he should have been connecting more with his son!
Okay, so I’ve heard a bit of chatter on this next theory… and yes, I think I’m in the camp that believes this is Juliet’s son with Jack. It pains me to believe it, because I’m full-on team Suliet… but there’s just no reason from a writing standpoint for that character to be deliberately left out of the episode unless it’s someone we’re not supposed to expect. We know it can’t be Kate, so the only other possibility aside from the more expected ex-wife… is Juliet.
That’s not to say Suliet can’t still happen. I mean, what juicier love triangle than one that involves a divorce. I could see that being a big-time showdown for Alti-Jack and Alti-Sawyer. But where will that leave Alti-Kate?
But here’s something else to consider: The relationship between Alti-Jack and his son is not unlike the tension between our other Jack and his father… and there’s an even more interesting similarity, I think. Alti-Jack’s son plays piano. I’m not sure if Alti-Jack plays… but we know our Island Jack definitely does. Remember in Season 3 when Kate came to the Barracks looking for him. She walked in on him playing in his house. Is it possible that Alti-Jack’s son and Island Jack share something much more profound than kinship? Something at the heart of this mystery? Something that combines parallel universes with time travel?
I mean, we definitely got a clue in this episode that time still plays an important role in the story. Last season, Hurley went head to head against the headier, but more logical theory that you can’t change the past. And he turned out to be right, despite his goofy comparison to Back to the Future.
So this week, when he pondered over whether Adam and Eve could be someone we know, trapped in all of this time travel… well… I guess now we have to take the guy a bit more seriously.
And you know, he really does seem to be turning into a leader. I can’t believe I’m even thinking it, cause I never would have during previous seasons… but I now believe there’s an amazing leader in that guy. I don’t know… it’s almost like… he’s the CEO of a really huge box corporation… who’s learned some important lessons on how to run his company by going undercover on an enchanted Island where he’s gotten to work side by side with some of his entry level employees.
Wait a second…….. that would actually…….. be a great reality spin-off for Lost!! Or Alt-reality!!! Am I right?!
Oh and I didn’t do it last week with the cave writings, but this week… I was totally guilty of pausing the video when they first showed the names on the lighthouse wheel… and yes, I felt really dumb a few minutes later when they told me pretty much all I needed to know about them.
Was that lighthouse mirror thing silly as hell? Yes. Explainable by science in any way? No… unless it’s the glass from some sort of alien computer monitor. Just plain magical? Probably. So am I starting to soften to that kind of stuff? Perhaps…. cause I kind of liked it.
It seems that this lighthouse points towards the location of each of the listed people’s homes in the real world. But I’m curious if it does more than that. Does it in any way affect that small window in the Island’s protective bubble… the one that allows ships, planes, etc. to pass through? Is it possible the mirrors reflect a particular kind of lightwave that can punch a hole in whatever part of the bubble they’re facing? That would definitely make it an effective lighthouse for this Island, right?
I’m really curious who Jacob is referring to when he says someone is coming to the Island. Is it Eloise Hawking? Faraday? Or one of our Alti-characters. My gut tells me Alti.
@DumpTruckMolly… Claire wants her baby back. Clair is acting exactly like Danielle was acting. What say you now? She clearly cares about her baby. Infected by darkness? I still say yes. Especially after seeing FLock there with her at the end.
Interesting, though, that Claire referred to FLock as her “friend”, but Christian as her “father”. So is it possible Christian really is alive?
When they showed Jack there at the end, sitting on that rock, looking out at the ocean, I couldn’t help but think about @SarahSamudre‘s theory in the comments here last week. She thinks Jack will be the new Jacob… or at least something important like him. A calm, centered… protector of the Island. Someone not unlike the Christian we keep seeing wandering around this Island.
You know, this episode really is taking me back to a theory of mine from last season. One I thought had been shattered to bits… just a worthless pile of glass… no longer able to find these Island shores…
… but now with Jack’s ueber importance to the Island… all this new son stuff… the fact that Christian is not likely to be Smokey… I’m starting to think my theory is trying to find another way to get here.
I guess only time will tell….. right?



February 26, 2010 at 8:45 am
Interesting thought about the mother of Jack’s child. It had never crossed my mind that it could be someone other than Julie Bowen–but now you have me thinking.
As for the visitor that is coming–Jacob wanted Jack to turn the dial to 108, but 108 was a name that was already crossed off (Wallace?). Does a person need to be dead to be eliminated as a “candidate” and thus crossed out? I think “Linus” was also crossed out, so maybe not.
One interesting theory I saw somewhere noted that the house that Jack saw was not the place where Jacob met with him–whereas the other pictures were of the locations where Jacob met with that person. So perhaps it’s not Jack’s name on the dial, but his father’s–and Jacob met Jack’s father when Jack was still a boy.
February 26, 2010 at 8:57 am
Wow, great post John. This episode definitely was better than expected. There was the typical Jack drama that usually follows him around but I really liked this episode.
About Jack’s son, his name is David…David in the Bible is a Shepherd, gifted musician, and a king. He starts off as a decent king but near the end of his reign he kinda becomes an idiot with the whole Bathsheba thing. My friend and I believe this wasn’t all an accident either. Also, Jack’s number is 23. Psalm 23 is a popular psalm that David pens that is talking about leadership.
Mr. Myagi in the other universe?!
I don’t want to believe it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Juliet is David’s mom. Why else would the creators hide her identity as much as they did. I think though that Jack will be the one to destroy the marriage and not David’s mom. He has that self-destruction trait going.
With the lighthouse, we saw Kate’s last name (her number is 51). I definitely did a happy dance in my chair for that. It wasn’t crossed out either. The glass thing was kind of weird, but again it reminded us that no one is on that island by accident and possibly since childhood they were being watched to see if they were a possible candidate. I didn’t catch who #108 was but it is the sum of all the numbers and it was the 108th episode which is only significant to Lost fans.
New Claire is very creepy…not a fan with the schizophrenia version of Claire. FLocke being her friend and her knowing that was not Locke was creepy as well. I take it they are the ones going to the island and they cannot be stopped. I wonder how they’ll get FLocke in?
This was a great episode just a lot more questions.
February 26, 2010 at 9:54 am
I think you’re really enjoying this shit. And that’s a good thing.
February 26, 2010 at 9:58 am
Great post!
I had not even thought of Juliet as the mother. She was so far out of my mind she didn’t even come up.
I also thought ‘Oh no a Jack episode’ but was really surprised at how much I enjoyed it. He felt more humbled and real than in past seasons. I always felt drunk and drugged Jack was too much and not believable. And too desperate.
Crazy Claire? Fantastic! And also creepy.
I’m excited to see who is coming to the island. I have no thoughts or hopes for who it could be. But I am wondering if Wallace (108) is someone we already know. Thoughts?
February 26, 2010 at 10:03 am
This probably means nothing, but I tought it was odd that hurley found Shannon’s inhaler. This is the second time they are mentioning her this season (while we didn’t her anything about her in many seasons if I remember well).
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And in the season premiere she wasn’t with Boone on the plane, even if I tought that Alt!world was supposed to start after the not-crash of the plane. So I’m wondering if Shannon has any significance this season since the premiere.
We’ll see.
*sorry for my bad english.It’s not my language,and writing things about something already confusing as Lost is, it’s not easy for me
February 26, 2010 at 10:33 am
I have to say – you blow my mind with your theories. Love ‘em.
I have to admit – every time I try to overthink something, though, it kills my buzz just a little. Such as AltiJack having his appendix scar… And EVERYONE just HAPPENS to be in LA….
But I look forward to your posts every week – so THANKS!
I did have a question to you and your readers…. I’m likely just forgetting…. Remember the eye patch guy? He kept getting killed and resurfacing. Have we heard the deal on that guy? Last I remember – he got killed (again) in the LookingGlass.
February 26, 2010 at 10:39 am
Maybe the mom is Eloise Hawking… she’s super good at keeping secrets, so the whole “my kid is still playing piano” bit would be no big deal at all.
February 26, 2010 at 11:51 am
lizz, word.
February 26, 2010 at 11:59 am
Kelly Jo, yeah, Patchy McGee died at the LookingGlass… at least for now.
Samantha, you’re Enlish is great. Yes I think Shannon will play a role this season. I had heard that Boone was back this season, so I’m hoping for an episode of his soon. It would be cool if it end up being an episode that takes us back to characters from early seasons that we’ve missed. But anyway, yeah, good point about the inhaler and Shannon. The writers are starting to refresh us on that for some reason. I say it’s what you think it is.
February 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm
I think Eloise would be a far out there one…oh wait this is Lost…I now realize I would want it to be someone we know…Juliet would be the best if I had to pick.
Thinking to Jack’s appendix. I think it shows us that no matter what certain things are going to happen. It could be at different times but they are going to happen no matter what.
Kyle, love the thought of Shepherd not being Jack. I guess we all get a little too consumed and forget Christian a lot of times. It could also be a 2 for 1 deal on Jacob’s part and he was able to watch Jack grow up and see his potential.
February 26, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Kyle, I like that theory about Christian being the name on the dial. But I’m also really starting to think there’s a link between all of these Shepherds… Christian, Jack, David.
What if Wallace is the Man in Black… or the original human being before Smokey took his form?
February 26, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Claire is totally bonkers and terrifying. But I’m still not convinced that Danielle was infected, at least not in place of her shipmates. I think there was definitely something funky happening with them – they knew too much about the smoke monster and the temple, and I like to think that she killed them for a reason. But, I have a soft spot for the woman and like to think she wasn’t as crazy as everyone made her out to be. I can justify her actions completely without there being some magical infection or whatever. She was a tough as nails warrior woman! I don’t think I’ll budge on that one until we see some concrete proof that Danielle was also infected, but, I’ll give it to you that it seems more possible now. There are some similarities, but I don’t think it’s exactly the same. I miss Danielle.
But Claire is just a pawn. It’s sad. I still like my idea that the “infected” are the worker bees of Smokey.
Now I’m worried about what this infection will mean for Sayid. And I’m scared for Jin and don’t know why he would want to take her to the Temple! This will end badly.
Also, I thought the lighthouse was cool as hell! And I read an idea somewhere that the cave was actually Smokey’s lair and the Lighthouse is Jacob’s… so perhaps Smokey was also tracking folks? That’s an interesting idea.
I love Jack as a daddy. This season is really making me warm towards Jack, I usually find him to be really annoying. And I will be annoyed if Juliet is the baby mama, because Jack doesn’t deserve her. Of course, maybe that’s why they aren’t together anymore. But, it would be a pretty good twist.
February 26, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Can I please be the first (or maybe im not) to say that Jack looks terrible! He used to be so good looking- he hasn’t aged very well.
O well, now that I got that out.. John, your recaps rock, I tell all the Losties I know about them =)
Ok, I am not entirely convinced anymore that smokey=evil, I’m starting to think that maybe hes just a pist off mist just trying to get off the island hes been prisoner on. Jacob is shaping out to be in my mind (do I dare say it……..) selfish. Ya i said it. He tries to control everyone- and no one has had a say in it.. I am not anti-Jacob, I promise.. I just think that it would be a nice twist to have the one we all thought was the “good” one, to turn out, well, not to be so perfect.
Biblical stuff on Jacob: Jacob became rich… as Laban [no relevance or smokey] became increasingly poor. And then, one day, without telling Laban his plans, Jacob packs up all his belongings, his wives, his children, his servants, his livestock, and takes off, fleeing from Laban. After a couple days, when Laban found out that Jacob had fled, Laban pursued him. He was upset because so much of his wealth left with Jacob……. he and Jacob [eventually] made a peace agreement, and Jacob traveled on with his belongings, returning to the land [island?] where he grew up.
However, coming back to the land, he knew he would have to face Esau [smokey], his brother who had threatened to kill him. He feared Esau greatly… ah enough of that.
I have to disagree completely that Juliet could be the mother. Seems totally lame, esp since the story wrapped us so emotionally with her & Sawyer. But who knows, this is Lost.
One more thing.. PLEASE NOOO TO THE RETURN OF SHANNON!
February 26, 2010 at 4:28 pm
I’m not convinced Juliet is the mom. I mean, I agree it’s someone we know and NOT Sarah. Not just because they didn’t show her but because the timing is all off if it’s her. My guess was Ana Lucia if only because of David’s dark coloring (I know, I know, he could have gotten that from Jack). Of course, Juliet does make a certain sort of sense as what would she have done if the Island didn’t happen?
An Aside: Have we see any of the other Tailies besides Bernard and Cindy (thanks to Am for helping me remember her) this season? I know that may be somewhat dictated by cast availability but talking about Ana Lucia reminded me.
Umm. I have more to say but my brain doesn’t seem to be functioning so I’ll be back once it gets back to “normal.”
February 26, 2010 at 5:02 pm
.. oh also, why are we ruling out David being Sarah’s son (Jack’s ex-wife) ?
February 26, 2010 at 5:05 pm
What if David’s mother is Penny? That just flew into my brain. That would be a whole new dynamic. Thanks Rae, your thoughts just made me think of that.
February 26, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Karla, I think it’s just because it seems too obvious. The fact that they didn’t show her at all in the episode seems to be a hint that it’s not her.
But of course, it could be.
February 26, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Karla, I have to say that the way Jacob seems more and more like an almighty manipulator unsettles me too…
Definitely a better Jack episode than expected, probably because of the rising of that Shepherd line theory…
..by the way, I still don’t think too much of Jack’s acting. Wasn’t he outplayed by David?…
Cabrera, what do you make of Desmond?? He used to be such a free element, + that scene in the Alti-plane….what are they getting him ready for??…
February 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Loic, I am wet-my-pants excited to see what has become of Desmond… is he the person Jacob was referring to? Unlikely, but man I’m still hoping.
John you are dead right about the water having healing properties and about Hurley’s potential. I remember an early episode when Jack was AWOL and Hurley tricked/manipulated Sawyer into being the leader because they needed someone to follow – Hurley has the potential to be a freaking mastermind!
The more I see of Jacob the more I am convinced his behaviour mimics that of an evil cult leader, further supported by the way the others, (his followers) are reacting now that they have lost the island’s protector (prophet).
Lastly, even though she butchered someone with an axe, I’m still not convinced that CrazyClaire is evil. Woot! Team Claire!
February 26, 2010 at 9:57 pm
I’m with you guys. I’m not crazy about Jacob. That guy is too manipulative for my taste. Lying to Hurley to get him to do his dirty work. I don’t know.
February 26, 2010 at 11:22 pm
I am sooooo with you on usually hating Jack episodes. But whereas everyone else in the room was convulsing in rage at Jack by the end of the episode, I found myself believing in him and dare I say it… LIKING him for the first time since season 1!
I just put up my Lost post earlier tonight. Had a crazy week, like you did, so my thoughts have been ruminating all week- and the longer they sat, the more they coalesced around the Through the Looking Glass parallels throughout the SERIES, as well as through the episode. Jack looks into a looking glass twice and notices something strange BOTH times: his scar and in Jacob’s mirror, his home. He’s also the only one with a sense of deja vu, much like what Desmond had when he jumped to another timeline (something that, the more I read up on string theory, is what I think happened in season 3, as opposed to season 4, when his consciousness was merely ‘unstuck’). Anyway, so I agree with you- I think it’s an Alti. I think Jack has to help himself (as well as others) get back to the Island. But to do what? Just to reconcile the timelines? Or to stop Smokie? Will those on the Island not be able to stop Smokie until Jack brings the Alties (good term, by the way) back to the Island?
OHMY. Just thought this… what would happen if Alive Locke showed up on the Island whilst Smokie is stuck in Dead Locke’s body? Anything cataclysmic?
February 27, 2010 at 4:08 am
Re: good and evil. I thought it was interesting how Flocke said to Sawyer that Jacob had met them all probably when they were vulnerable or something like that. So does that make him a savior or semi-psychopath? (I hate throwing names and terms like that, but some of the characteristics go with both Jacob and Smokey.)
I guess it depends how we look at the situation, ie was Jacob simply just saving Kate in the shop or was the shoplifting just a front and he had all evil and manipulative plans underneath.
Another great reminder from this episode was when Jack said he followed his dad and that’s how he found the caves. Was that an act of good or evil (either of the men) or was it simply just Jack seeing his dad?
Also, I really liked the mirror-thingy. I kinda wish they had even more stuff like that. Very Atlantis-like stuff. More interactive technological things like the mirror and the donkey wheel and less bonsai trees. Just saying.
February 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm
im thinking that Jacob might be the “evil” one and Smokey might be the “good” one. Jacob is just so manipulative like you guys are saying. Smokey/Locke was telling Sawyer that he gets to people when theyre at their weakest and vulnerable. i dunno, im not digging jacob anymore. My friend and i thought that jacob is the “protector” of the people and smokey is the “protector” of the island which is why he can never leave the island. Bah. its hard to translate whats in my head into writing! haha
oh! did anyone noticed how Hurley didnt really notice the numbers, i guess because its on a dial it would make much sense for him to freak about it, but he was told to put it on 8 and jack was like turn it to 23! i dunno i feel like maybe he should have noticed that their names were on 2 of the “numbers” i dunno something i just though about.
so one question: adam and eve are the two previous good/bad people right? seeing that they had those pebbles in their pockets?
February 27, 2010 at 11:43 pm
We keep wondering who is good and who is evil but why does it have to be one or the other? I agree about Jacob’s shadiness but there’s definitely a lot of things that stop me from saying Smokey could be good. Much like in ancient stories of the Gods, one may be more evil than the other but both are still manipulative and looking after their own best interests… Or so it seems.
In other news, saw a very short clip for this week’s upcoming episode at PaleyFest tonight and looks like it’s going to be a good episode! Also, Damon said they never think of themselves as smarter than the audience so when they use a name that you can Google to find the basis for their use of it and how it connects to the show, it’s because they expect fans to do that. (The example he used was Dogen.) I thought it was interesting as to how that ties back to our discussions here last season about the Egyptian symbols, etc.
February 28, 2010 at 10:02 am
…So, if we are balancing the good/evil ratio between Jacob and Smokey, I wonder if there will be somebody above that fight (watching it, reason for it, or whatever…), like in all Gods ancient stories.
…which might bring us back, John, to your interest in the Shepherd line?..
I have a question about that : Christian seems the only one (apart from Jacob obviously) for whom we never had some sort of explanation as to how he travels from and to the Island (mostly as a dead body it seems) am I right??..maybe Desmond too.
Keep coming back to that meeting between Des and Jack in the stadium. Can’t help but thinking it held more than other “coincidential meeting” we’ve seen.
Or maybe I just really want Des back…
February 28, 2010 at 11:08 am
Very good point Rae. It’s pretty funny how the writers keep pointing us to duality in terms of good and evil. In one way or the other, faith/science, scale, rocks etc. Which actually now that I think about it, is quite brilliant. Besides the people we have parallel universes or we could have just one universe which has several “sides” to it. Maybe there isn’t a clear line between good and evil and that same blurred line can be applied to island and flashsideways.
February 28, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Loved the post! and yes, late as usual, but I really liked the episode, specially considering ‘What Kate Does’ was super weak. I really like the way these episodes feel like season one, it’s a nice cycle and I just love character-centric episodes.
About the mother, I’m really hoping it’s not Juliet, I mean that’d be totally predictable and Darlton are NOT like that. So, I’m hoping it’s not her. It could totally be her ex, Sarah.
I like your theory about the wounds and the water, and I’m expecting Desmond to make an appearance soon, maybe he’s the one that’s coming?
February 28, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Loic, I’m now thinking that the person who’s coming to the Island is either Alti-Jack or Alti-Locke. I’d say, based on how beloved the Locke character is and how much audiences want that character (not a fake Smokey version) back in the the thick of the action… it’ll probably be Locke. That’s not to say Alti-Jack won’t make his way back in again… I just feel like right now, Island Jack is enough Jack… whereas Island Locke (FLocke) is not enough Locke.
Hanna, I love this idea that the blurred line between yin and yang is similar to the line between our two parallel universes. The question is whether it’s possible for yin and yang to blend together into a sort of gray. I mean, that’s what we’re talking about here when we say that Smoke and Jacob may be neither good nor evil. If so, then it seems logical our parallel worlds will do the same.
March 1, 2010 at 7:19 am
The Wallace thing still is odd. I’m wondering if the person coming to the island is Aaron or Walt? Just a thought that crossed my mind, as they were both once on the island. Just another random thought/possible correlation crossed my mind I find it odd how Flocke is friends with Claire and Jacob with Jack, there both siblings. Do we think Jack now knows Claire is his sister, as he was told 2 episodes ago? There using family against each other? I’m not 100% sure where this is going or if I’m even on the right track, I just thought it was something to mention/consider.
Love everyone’s theories! It gets me through my week!
March 1, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Wow Kayla…two siblings…Shepherd!
Jacob and Smokey befriending the two heirs of Christ-ian…with all this importance given to Aaron, and now David?!.. Where does that bring us John??
This episode definitely got my brains spinning…maybe too fast.
March 5, 2010 at 11:25 am
Wouldn’t that be cool if your theory about Jack turned out to be right??? You could say, “Yeah, I totally called that a year ago…”