Spaceship (I’m not even gonna use the word Lost in this title)

By John Cabrera on Mar 20 2010

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1. TheGame'sAfoot aka Courtney K. on 20 Mar 2010 at 11:00 am #

   

   John, I watched part of the enhanced version of last weeks episode; and in the “PopUpVideo” thingy at the bottom, it said something to the effect of “This is what would’ve happened if the plane (original Oceanic?) had never crashed on the island”; so it can’t be a flash-forward, can it? It appears that they have out and out lied in the past (the time travel schtuff), but would they actually *explain* it and then turn around and say JUST KIDDING!! and point and laugh at us?

   I thought the SAME THING “ewww, they were in full sweaty coitus right before this…and the cops have it on tape. That would be awkward to have to hear in court.”

   I wonder, Richard can’t be the only one who has the gift. What about Widmore? He’s old now, sure but maybe it’s like a slower progression? How old is he? He’s been off the island for awhile now, but how long? How old is Richard anyhow? I just wouldn’t be shocked if it turned out that Widmore was the captain of the Black Rock or was somehow connected to it.

   Did anyone else notice that Kate wouldn’t take FLocke’s hand when he offered it?? I feel like maybe if you touch FLocke, you’re more easily influenced by him maybe? Plus, who gave Sayid too much Xanax?? He’s been roofed, man! He’s hearing colors while Claire-TheWildThingsAre is tackling Kate as if she were in a bad 70s chicks in jail movie! I did like the way FLocke picked Claire-TheWildThingsAre up off of Kate like she was a drunk being 86′d out of a pub on St. Patrick’s Day; made me giggle.

2. Smartacus on 20 Mar 2010 at 11:02 am #

   

   I thought the same thing about Sawyer & the woman in the hotel! eewww… creepy, Miles & Co. A lot of friends I’ve talked to about the show are all saying the same thing: make something happen already. The more they say “no more time for questions, time for answers” MORE questions pop up! blergh. And I know you really want it to happen but if it turns out to be a spaceship I will be taking at least half of your bottle of snowglobe toilet bowl cleaner.

   A couple of things I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most people have:
   -Jack is now the man of faith, not science. He put 100% of his faith into not blowing up with Richard. He’s reminding me of early seasons Locke, only more crazy-eyed.
   -There seems to be a hint that maybe the good/evil, white/black thing is all relative, or not what we think. We’ve been assuming this whole time Jacob is the good guy and MIB is bad. But just like with The Others it depends on your perspective and whose “reality” you’re viewing the events from. (I think Richard has maybe had a revelation to this effect and that’s why he’s telling them it’s not what they think.) Maybe? Meh, I could be wrong.

3. Kyle on 20 Mar 2010 at 11:50 am #

   

   Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but how has no one found a bottle of Dharma shampoo/conditioner for Claire yet?!!! That rat’s nest was distracting me whenever she was in a scene.

   I would love a spaceship twist to the show–as long as a woman with a short haircut doesn’t appear on the bottom telling everyone they come in peace.

   No idea why my only two comments both include hairdos (or hairdon’t in the first case).

4. Itzel on 20 Mar 2010 at 12:37 pm #

   

   Hahaha I’m really not believing the spaceship theory just yet, that’d be the easy way out and I would not like that at all! I like spaceships too (not aliens, they freak me out) but not in the deus ex machina kind of way. So no, do not agree, but the Lost X flashbacks are really interesting and I too love them, specially Sawyer’s. And I’ve been thinking how all of those flashbacks are going to intertwine with the reality, and the only thing I can think of, is that if you die on the island, you get to have that alternate flashbacks. Also, they must be part of an agreement all of the losties have with either Jacob or Man in Locke.

   And also wth Charlotte? what will be her role? where’s Faraday? that’d be my main question haha.

   I hope next week’s episode is mind-blowing, I really do. We haven’t had an episode so awesome as The Constant this season yet.

5. lizz on 20 Mar 2010 at 12:48 pm #

   

   I think it’s been well-established that Sawyer is okay with people listening in on his ladytime business. And I guarantee one of the reasons Miles is so frowny in the alt-universe is that he has to listen to Sawyer bone his way through the Los Angeles con scene.

   If little Ben was on the island, does that mean baby Miles was too?

   And most importantly… how can I get in on this not a spaceship bet?

6. Cafrine on 20 Mar 2010 at 3:02 pm #

   

   The island being on the sea floor because of the bomb going off makes total sense to me. If the Losties detonated the bomb, then they never come to the island and therefore never go back in time. If they never go back in time, they can’t tell the Others to bury the bomb, Sayid can’t shoot Ben, so Ben can’t be with the Others so it’s perfectly reasonable to assume he was on the Island and left it for some other reason. The Island could have been underground, like for instance since there was no Purge, the Dharma folks could have continued with their ridiculous plans and, say, whatever it was they were originally doing at The Swan put it under ground. And that’s just following what would happen if Sayid didn’t go back. There were, what? Ten people who went back and changed the timeline? I’m okay with the idea that some of these people have been there before, or born there or whatever.

   Loves Sawyer as a cop. All makes sense – plus scenes with Sawyer and Miles in any universe are okay with me.

7. Mandy on 20 Mar 2010 at 3:37 pm #

   

   Best. Episode. Ever.

   Well maybe not but I really do love Sawyer

   Courtney, I too noticed that Kate didn’t touch FLocke but I’m not sure if they deliberately showed that to mislead me!?

   I’m now quetioning why I’ve been such a Skate shipper all these years when the Sawyer/Miles (Smiles) bromance is way more awesome

   I also noticed the random guy in the police station inquiring about his ‘brutha’ please, please, please let that be Desmond. I miss him terribly.

   PS – Did I mention that I love Sawyer?

8. lizz on 20 Mar 2010 at 5:35 pm #

   

   the guy at the police station was charlie’s brother.

   desmond is in another life…

9. John Cabrera on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:33 pm #

   

   desmond is in another life? explain.

   also, why all the spaceship hate, lizz? I’d much rather a spaceship than the show end with no explanation for a giant time traveling donkey wheel lodged deep under the island. So far, there’s nothing that says it can’t be a spaceship (or other form of extraterrestrial mechanism). But there’s plenty that, without a spaceship, could only be explained as magic or illusion. And for this Lost viewer, that would be unacceptable.

   I’d be okay with the idea of an advanced civilization that somehow became lost to history… but we’d likely still be talking about the same thing: An Island that is not an Island, but most likely an ancient but advanced machine with lots of overgrowth.

10. John Cabrera on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:46 pm #

    

    Cafrine, I’m confused by your explanation. If the bomb is what caused the island to be sunk, then anyone on the island who was there when it detonated would have perished… including little Ben… who at that point had already been shot by Sayid and had already been taken to the temple. So if the Losties changed history by detonating an atomic bomb, that history was changed from the moment of the explosion itself, not before the explosion.

    Perhaps the bomb’s detonation did change the course of history a different way, but didn’t sink the island… but in that case, something still had to have sunk the Island between ’77 and 2003.

11. dumptruckmolly on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:13 pm #

    

    I LOVED this episode! The last 3 episodes have all been AMAZING. I love Sawyer and Miles so much. I love it all. I think they’ve done a brilliant thing here, with the two story lines… they couldn’t have picked just one. I’ll be interested to see how they put it all together in the end. But I can’t get behind spaceships. Not. At. All.

    I forget where I read this, but Carlton was asked to sum up the last 3 episodes in one word and he said “water” – so I think we’ll see what happened to the Island! I think that if the bomb did cause it to sink, that perhaps it wasn’t an instant thing… so maybe folks had time to get off the Island? I dunno, it doesn’t fit up and I can’t wait to get answers.

    Also – one thing I picked up on in this episode: Why did Flocke try to send Ben to the Hydra Island? He knew some shit was going down over there, so what was his goal for sending Ben? He obviously doesn’t want Ben to be to be a part of his team. Sometimes I find myself falling for Flocke’s stories, but then we see a little snippet of something that proves he’s a big sneaky sneak liar.

    Also – Sayid calmly watching Claire try to kill Kate… whoa.

    I can’t wait for next week’s episode. Richard is my Island boyfriend and I love him with all my heart and his story should give us SO MUCH information about the history of the Island and what’s up with Jacob and Smokey.

    And I can’t wait to find out what’s up with Widmore! I want his story, too!

    Oh, it’s all so good. I couldn’t be more pleased.

12. Pauline on 20 Mar 2010 at 10:10 pm #

    

    I dig the spaceship theory. Seriously. Spaceships a freaking cool. I mean, Jupiter 2 anyone? come on! And if it turned out to be the case, it would make me feel better about my thinking that Lost is basically Roswell on an island. But, then again… I also think that every character on Lost is actually a different aspect of Felicity Porter’s personality… so my theories don’t hold much water anymore. Hmmm… wait a minute. I just saw Where the Wild Things Are (FINALLY!) this week… I loved how all the monsters were both different aspects of Max’s personality as well as aspects of the people in his life. And further, maybe Lost is just the alternate reality caused by Felicity when Meghan sent her back in time in Season 4 and all her personality characteristics are fighting it out on the island.

    In a completely unrelated but kind of related line of thought… If you haven’t seen Roswell, J, you should check it out… Emilie de Raven plays Tess, an alien/human hybrid who just really wants to go home. She gets pregnant by another alien/human hybrid in a ploy to get him to go back to their home world where there is a civil war going on. Her baby daddy’s name is Max and he happens to be king of their home planet… she steals the Granolith (think super techy spaceship thingy) in order to get herself and unborn baby home leaving Max and the other two aliens stranded on earth. You might find it relevant to your theory. I mean, who knows… maybe Abrams and Jason Katims ran into each other at Comic Con some time in 2002 when both of their shows were winding down… Abrams dreamt up his take on the alien genre via Lost and Katims did his take on the Education genre via Boston Public.

    Otherwise… I’m completely stumped about the time travel stuff. I try and work it out in my head but it makes my brain hurt so I have to stop.

    Am doing cartwheels, in anticipation for the Black Rock ep. though, that too makes my brain hurt.

13. Valerie on 20 Mar 2010 at 10:16 pm #

    

    Ok so this episode had an interesting reference to miles dad being alive clearly when the bomb went off his dad was with our losties and no where near the sub, just as ben was with the others at the temple and so on and so on. The altiverseis definitely a skip in time from the bomb being detonated. Unless they somehow later explain how ben got off the island I buy of course baby miles leaving with his mom on the sub. As far as daniel faraday goes, his mom was on the island as a young woman and the leader of the others and was under the temple when Jack took off so if the bomb is the result of the altiverse then Daniel never had the chance to exist.. which is funny cause the whole reason that daniel’s mom actually lead Jack to the bomb was her guilt over having actually killed her future son. But what is interesting is daniels mom lead them all back on to the island knowing that they would have a chance to prevent her from doing that dead. As far as this episode goes i still feel that what ever happens in the altiverse stands alone…like the butterfly effect… Change one thing and although some things seem the same they really are different. Most of our losties were very young or not born at the time the bomb went off on the island except maybe Locke. I think Sawyers growth on the island allowed his altiverse ego to use his bad aspects for good…but if he really knew Miles there would have been more interaction when we first saw miles on the island. I know this is about silly but when jin and sun got off the plane they were detained in customs how the hell did they get out of that mess in order for him to get tied up in the freezer? I’m sure the answers will come soon. But fundamental questions still waiting on answers for are.. What’s the deal with the kids and the abilities for the island concieved births? Also what happened to all the original kids on the island the ones from the plane? What’s widmores story how did he leave the island?

14. Mandy on 20 Mar 2010 at 10:23 pm #

    

    Thanks Lizz, you’re totally right, that WAS Liam!

    So… when you say Desmond is in another life, you mean… ummm… what do you mean?

15. kelseroo on 20 Mar 2010 at 11:31 pm #

    

    Amen to that, Kyle! I can’t stand Claire’s crazy rat’s nest either. Totally looks like she’s wearing a wig too. Oh and John, I can’t help but picture this hilarious scenario in my head: The last episode, after the concluding scene, when the screen goes black, and in white letters instead of saying “LOST” it says “Surprise! It’s a Spaceship!!!!” Bahahahaha, I don’t know, that just tickles me:-)

16. John Cabrera on 21 Mar 2010 at 2:23 am #

    

    Val, I agree with all of your points. It just doesn’t make sense that the bomb sunk that island. There are just too many references in this Altiverse that would make that not work. I’d buy that setting off the bomb started a new chain of events that led to the island sinking years later… but then anything could have influenced this butterfly effect as you say. It may not have been the bomb, but rather the Losties even being there at all. My point specifically is that there’s no way the bomb exploded and immediately sunk the Island. Otherwise too many people (I’d say even those who were about to leave on the sub) would have been killed. In fact, I’d go further and say there’s no way the bomb even detonated if this Alti-verse is indeed the changes caused by the Losties actions in 77. A nuclear explosion is BIG. Certainly Miles’ dad would have died, but I’d say most on the Island would have actually.

    Kels, I’m pretty sure it is a wig.

    They are cool, P! Especially the ones from The Last Starfighter.

    Question for the group:

    If you had to choose between the explanation for the Time Traveling Donkey Wheel, Magic Mirror at the Lighthouse, and Smoke Monster as either
    a.) elements of an advanced unfamiliar (perhaps otherworldly) civilization with technology far greater than our own
    b.) magic or miracle
    c.) all an illusion (ie a St. Elsewhere type rationale that practically negates everything we’ve seen)
    d.) other (this option is only available if you have another idea for why)
    Which would you choose?

17. Cafrine on 21 Mar 2010 at 4:22 am #

    

    John, well sure, I can see that. But if you follow Faraday’s theory, by detonating the bomb they will prevent themselves from ever coming to the Island. So if they don’t land on the Island, they never go back in time, and if they don’t go back in time then Sayid never shoots Ben. Benand Roger may have been on the island for a month in , say, 1972 -there’s nothing to say that they were there when whatever it was sent the island underwater (my theory? Something something volcano).

    Another thought, by not detonating the bomb and going back in time, the Others are never introduced to Locke and the mythic leader idea he plants in their minds never eventuates. It’s just as likely that The Others lived peacefully under Widmore/Hawking rule until they either died off from radiation from the bomb or they or some other genius detonated it themselves. Or volacano.

    Anyway. Just a theory. I’ll stick bt it but I don’t mind being proven entirely wrong!

18. Valerie on 21 Mar 2010 at 9:10 am #

    

    Does anyone here find it odd that ancient temples used to draw in the people controling them and manipulating them with snoke and mirrors I’m going with illussion infused magic the fake kind of magic that is where everybody is in on the joke… That is except our losties. A sort of big brother watching and the only ones not in on the joke are the people stuck on the island infussed with survivor man.

    Who knows personally I’d rather the explaination make sense and not come outta left field

19. Pauline on 21 Mar 2010 at 10:14 am #

    

    A. If I had my druthers… an ending would tie together two of your favorite things J. Spaceship and a lost continent. Many folks believe Lemuria was a continent that sunk… but also that Lemuria was inhabited by aliens ~ some say from Alpha Centauri. People actually believe that the inhabitants of Lemuria actually still exist today. Some believe they live deep in the canyons surrounding Sedona, AZ and some believe they live in tunnels under Mt. Shasta in CA. Apparently they are here to help the human race advance.

    So… in the Lost construct… Jacob and MIB would be Lemurians and the island would be the Lost continent of Lemuria. And if MIB actually gets his Great Space Coaster up and running and leaves the island… couldn’t that be how it ends up on the floor of the ocean? Where is the ship? They couldn’t have built those Temple sets for just those few episodes… and Dogen seemed pretty bad ass just to be guarding a bunch of sheep and some water? What if he was guarding the spaceship that was located under the temple? (What have you done to me J?! Did you know that if you said Spaceship enough times it would send me on the fact finding mission from COROT-7b? (Yeah, that was last comment there was my geek-fu in full force. Can you handle it?)

    But I digress…
    Perhaps Abrams and crew went to one of this guy’s workshops:
    http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/AncientCivi.htm
    He’s covered all the the bases:
    Lemuria? Check
    Egypt? check
    Aliens? check
    Time Travelers? check
    anti-gravity devices? check (donkey wheel, right?)

    coincidence? hmmmm….

    Though, they may have been playing a lot Golden Sun? http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Lemuria
    What with it’s elemental lighthouses and life extending water… who is to say?

    To sum up… I would feel much better about this type of ending over the others. It’s just batshitecrazy enough to work, no?

20. Itzel on 21 Mar 2010 at 10:35 am #

    

    JP, ok I’d choose a.) advanced unfamiliar technology, but don’t you think also an extraterrestrial answer would be too far fetched, even for Lost? Idk, it somewhat reminds me of the last Indiana Jones movie *shrug*.

    So what if this unfamiliar technology is still human, but just unknown? I mean, with all the hieroglyphs maybe it’s ancient knowledge that just didn’t reach the contemporary world?

    And yeah, I still don’t know how all the chain of events changed for the Losties after the bomb. Cause yes, Ben was on the Island, but I don’t think he was on the temple, I don’t even think he was shot on the Alti-verse and I’m thinking he got along with his dad from the start. So, we are left with a world where Jacob didn’t meddle with anyone, I think that’s mainly what the 1977 Losties’ actions did. But I still can’t explain why the 77 bomb would change also the past… Lost-headache haha.

21. John Cabrera on 21 Mar 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    

    Ah!!! I see what you mean Cafrine. You’re assuming that by detonating the bomb and changing the future they also changed the past by breaking what was an endless time loop of always going back in time. If that is the case then you and I do agree that the bomb did not send the island to the ocean floor (at least not in the physical sense)… and I can dig the volcano explanation. But there are still paradoxes that don’t fit. If the Losties never went back in time, then they never effected the natural course of things for the Island… which means the Island shouldn’t be down there at the bottom of the Ocean. We’re assuming that Ben being shot by Sayid was what brought him into the arms of The Others… but we already saw in season 3 that Ben found Richard in the jungle, and that’s what began his road to The Others.

    The bottom line is, too many events in the Island’s history have been deliberately blacked out…. and until the writers show us those, we’ll be able to debate about what it was that caused the Island to be sunk, for the Dharma Initiative to be gassed, etc. because there are too many possibilities right now. Which is I guess what the writers want.

22. Kristen on 21 Mar 2010 at 2:37 pm #

    

    John, it’s so funny that you said the thing about St. Elsewhere because for a long time I’ve been saying that I’d rather have that ending than anything related to aliens. I just feel like that’s where everyone goes when they can’t think of anything else. It’s just a way for them to not have to explain anything except “it was aliens, they have ways of doing things that we don’t understand!”

23. TheGame'sAfoot aka Courtney K. on 21 Mar 2010 at 3:43 pm #

    

    Four words supporting Spaceship coolness:

    Flight of the Navigator.

    Compliance.
    That’s right. I said it

    Oh, and someone just blew my mind…the show is called “Lost” and I think John touched on the fact that it’s a lost civilization…somehow I really feel that even though logic tends to run screaming from the writer’s room, I feel like that is pivotal. Everything in this frakkin’ show is a metaphor for something else, why wouldn’t the title be??

    I didn’t like the “fall into bed so very quickly” Charlotte, but hey, it’s television. I found myself mentally hi-fiving her for not letting Cop Sawyer skate by with a bag o’beer, a sunflower and a “hey baby, let’s forget that whole screaming in your face incident the other night” look on his face.

    Miles is super frowny in Alti-Verse, but has made no mention of seeing dead people.

    I’m waiting for Faraday to swing onto the scene in his skivvies. Not sure why, but somehow the image of him scampering about in his underpants just seems in character for that guy.

24. John Cabrera on 21 Mar 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    

    Kristen, really?! But not only is making everything a huge illusion a total cop out and easiest ending I can imagine… it would totally negate everything we’ve seen. All the characters we’ve met would be non existent… at least in the state we’ve met them. If I thought, two seasons ago, that my characters and Island would be taken away by an illusion, I’d have stopped watching.

    But viewing it simply as “aliens” or even comparing it to Indiana Jones is not totally fair either, because those come with a particular stigma. A mythology that includes an advanced civilization (one that could have perhaps come from another planet) has lots of nuances and directions it could go. And it’s also the basis of lots of fanciful theories regarding Atlantis and ancient myths of our world.

    If the only way to logically explain Donkey wheels that time travel and lighthouse mirrors that show us the world is by saying this is technology from a people who are not of our world (whatever “world” even means), I think that could be really cool. Particularly if research was done by the writers to sync up dozens of actual myths that deal with it.

    I think when most people hear “aliens” they think of little green men and space ships like the one ET rode in. But it could be very different. Not anything like we’d usually imagine. It could support a show mythology that’s still very ancient and surprising. If the show went in that direction they’d have the opportunity to redefine the alien convention of sci-fi in the same way they sort of redefined the time traveling convention. I’d love for them to take up that challenge rather than just settling on another Newhart-like ending.

25. Mandy on 21 Mar 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    

    I’m leaning towards an A scenario with a twist of D.

    I’m not smart enough to flesh out my theory but I’m sort of thinking that the island is like a giant Tardis traveling though space and time.

26. Valerie on 21 Mar 2010 at 8:17 pm #

    

    Just a thought what if the island actualy existed in a different dimension kind of land of the lost Atlantis Bermuda triangle esc why a sub could traverse it I have know idea but for that matter the portal into the island has to exist somewhere so why not. Obviously Jacob sending Jack and hurley to the light house opened that portal for the sub to arrive with widmore but also allowed a someone to glimpse the islands presence too. Remember the twilight zone episode where the little girl falls through the hole in the wall and her dad goes into save her only to findout he was moments away from being half in one and half in the other for all time?

27. John Cabrera on 22 Mar 2010 at 1:40 am #

    

    I should probably clarify: I like saying the word spaceship just cause it sounds so funny within the context of the show. And maybe cause it get the dialog nice and heated But my definition of Spaceship is much broader than just something that travels through the cosmos. I really love this idea that the Island is a sort of interdimensional ship. Regardless, when I say spaceship, I just mean that the Island is not an island but rather an advanced piece of machinery that can be used as a mode of transportation. I also think we’ve seen it used for that purpose already (Ben turning the wheel “moved” the Island)… so I’m unclear why it would be so terrible to find out that was it’s original purpose before all the overgrowth of jungle.

    I mean, we love this show for the characters anyway, right?

28. Hanna on 22 Mar 2010 at 5:49 am #

    

    “I think when most people hear “aliens” they think of little green men and space ships like the one ET rode in. But it could be very different. Not anything like we’d usually imagine. It could support a show mythology that’s still very ancient and surprising. If the show went in that direction they’d have the opportunity to redefine the alien convention of sci-fi in the same way they sort of redefined the time traveling convention. I’d love for them to take up that challenge rather than just settling on another Newhart-like ending.”

    What John said. For me personally what I like the most besides the characters is the Atlantis / Lemuria aspect. They are some resources which speak of their technologies pretty much the same way as some sci-fi technologies. In that regard Atlantis and Lemuria are very alien-like, at least to our current technological breakthroughs. So it would be a nice and kinda new approach to “aliens”. I dig it.

    Also, cop-Sawyer was hot. And Flocke bitchslapping cray cray Claire. Best thing. EVER.

29. Pauline on 22 Mar 2010 at 9:02 am #

    

    (Disclaimer: the following comment is meant in the spirit of humor and not intended to sound bitchy or angry.)

    Hey… it sounds like you are changing the definition of something unexplainable that the public generally accepts as an explanation rather than accept what the show has given us.

    Can’t you like, come up with a name on your own to describe an advanced piece of machinery that can be used as a mode of transportation or perhaps use the one given on the show?

    If Donkey Wheel isn’t good enough, I’m thinking Island Taxi Wheel or perhaps the more whimsical Gilligan Contraption. Or what about IDTM? Inter Dimensional Time Machine. Or OOOH! Skipper’s Time Taxi..?

    Otherwise… you are just confusing us poor nerds who love spaceships just to get a rouse out of us… and making us drop our spaceship trou. What gives brother John?

30. John Cabrera on 22 Mar 2010 at 10:17 am #

    

    Aw come on, P. You of all people should know what I mean when I say spaceship. I’ve never even used the word “alien” until this comment thread, even though I think it’s likely Jacob and FLocke are not of this world.

    Fact is, if that Island ends up being an advanced piece of machinery that can travel through space (be it “space: the cosmos” or “time/space”), regardless of who built it or who controls it, it’s a spaceship. It’s easiest way to describe it.

31. Pauline on 22 Mar 2010 at 12:56 pm #

    

    But J… it isn’t really a ship. A ship is a vehicle you drive. This thing spits people out once they start the moving process… it also effects time travel off of it like with Demond’s time traveling consciousness while he was on the freighter (like Picard’s in All Good Things).

    I’d buy it being a “spaceship” if it only moved people through space and time while they are on the island… but it pulls planes out of the sky… why not call the island the bermuda ilangle?

    I will give you points though because a spaceship can be powered by magnetic sails and the island is chock full of electromagnetism… so you’ve got that working for you…

    And why me of all people? When I hear spaceship I think of Will Robinson on the Jupiter II, The Enterprise, of Tess (Emilie de Raven) gliding through the cosmos in her hunk-of-rock shaped ship fleeing Roswell in order to save both herself and the child inside her because if she stays on earth it will kill them. (a lie but for the purposes of related to lost… I won’t explain the details.)

    Oh… and Molly asked you a while ago… why would FLocke send James to Hydra Island? I think it was so Flocke could get some one on one time with Kate. It also mirrors back to a Juliet/Ben story line from seasons past.

    Man… one thing about these comments where you and I disagree on stuff… it really brings out my inner-geek that I usually keep hidden under my thin veil of Fonz like cool.

32. John Cabrera on 22 Mar 2010 at 8:56 pm #

    

    Aww, come on. Plenty of ships are designed to spit you out in certain situations. I have to imagine you’ve seen Top Gun and Aliens. And yes I do think this thing can be and has been “driven”. But drive is a broad term and so is my use here… but you know what I mean when I say “ship”.

    Ah well. I know how scary the word spaceship can sound to some lost fans, so I suppose I deserve the ribbing. lol.

33. Pauline on 22 Mar 2010 at 10:03 pm #

    

    But of course…
    Top Gun = a drool worthy Val Kilmer
    Alien = 1 of my fave actors, Harry Dean Stanton.

    You know I’m just playing with you J!
    The most awesome thing about Lost is that you can take almost anything in popular culture and and relate it to this show… it’s almost like the Kevin Bacon game. Before last week I could have easily written something comparing Little House on the Prairie to Lost… and everyone would have laughed at me. Had I actually written it though… I would have been king…. King of Lost! Mwahahahaha!

    Though… I’m not ready to give up on this whole Atlantis/Lemuria thing… in hopes that the islandship is Lemurian in origin… do you think you might consider go to the Lemurian Retreat on Mt Shasta in the fall? Come on! You know you wanna… We could awaken our inner Lemurian! http://www.lemurianawakening.com/workshops.html

    P.S. Ribbing is like a sport in my family and I hope you can consider it a compliment that I tease you about this stuff sometimes.

34. Courtney K. on 23 Mar 2010 at 1:31 am #

    

    My internal clock got all kerfluffled and decided that 1:33am was enough for me. Since it’s Tuesday, my brain started working on Lost.

    I’m starting to get very Zen about Lost.
    The current theory swimming in my head is Croatoan.

    Seriously.

    What if the writer’s don’t actually owe us any explanations? What if this is just one of those mysteries of life?

    Much like when people from grade school/high school/college/former cubicle farms fall out of your life; you don’t really get to know the details of what happened to them…they just go on.

    Sure, I’d be disappointed and the internet would EXPLODE; but it’s a bit like when The Sopranos ended. They just faded to black. No happy ending, no closure.

    Granted, I didn’t really watch much of The Sopranos and when I heard about the ending I wrinkled my nose at it. But still, it was what it was.

    I’d *like* an ending that makes the pieces fit. However I’m starting to feel like the writers are trying to teach us something; or that they had no idea what the frak they were starting when they did and now are just as confused as we the viewers. Which also, makes sense.

    That all being said: Spaceship

35. Kansas on 23 Mar 2010 at 9:34 am #

    

    No Lost post is complete without spaceship talk.
    Definitely thought the same thing with the sex…awkward much? I loved Sawyer as a cop as well and Miles being his partner brightened up my night! I also liked how he was the same Sawyer in a lot of ways. Also the fact that he hadn’t found the man who killed his family.
    The universes are confusing. We know that the island existed in the alti-verse and i am thinking the island being underwater is a red herring. I’m excited for tonight to see what is said. I read that next week will give us a good amount of answers as well as the first hour of the finale.
    I am excited for this episode. As interested as I am in the Black Rock I am curious to get some follow up on what Richard had said to Jack about being gifted and such. Only a few more hours!

36. Kristen on 23 Mar 2010 at 10:56 am #

    

    It’s kinda like Courtney K. just said. I feel like an alien/spaceship ending would be a last-ditch effort on their part to give us answers, since I’m sure they didn’t expect the show to last this long and probably had a different, simpler ending in mind. If it does turn out to be a spaceship, and they come out and say that was the plan the whole time, than I’ll be semi-okay with it. But if it was just to try to appease us, then I’ll be upset!

37. Lizz on 24 Mar 2010 at 11:30 am #

    

    Oh I was just hoping that Desmond’s other life is the perfect Penny story… though the tragedy of their separation and joy of their reunion makes it so much better.

    And it’s his catchphrase.

38. Lizz on 24 Mar 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    

    (from Wet Hot American Summer)

    HENRY: [demonstrating with rocks] See, this is us and we’re traveling around the sun. That’s a 1.3 million mile trip every year! You might say that each and every one of us is a crew member here on Spaceship Earth.
    CAMPER: When will we say that?
    HENRY: Any time. Dinner. Literally any time.

    do you mean like this kind of spaceship?

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