Lost without
I’m not sure where the title of this post comes from. I just always know that it’s somehow going to include the word Lost… and then I sort of let it go from there.
Well, I guess this one didn’t have to go very far. If it sounds a little lacking, perhaps that’s my general mood coming through. I just closed my blog doors on another awesome month hosting a guest blogger here at johncabrera.com. I’ve been really lucky. I’ve had two fantastic bloggers join the ranks here (actually 4 counting Amrie and Vanessa of the past two days). Last year Marivic Tagala won the SYTYCD FDL (The Lark had yet to emerge from its shell), and filled my blog with Filipino delicacies and trips to the Navy Yard. Well this time around, Rae had us discussing Tears, Career Dreams, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The last of which got me inspired actually. I need to know what you guys are talking about. Check it out:
So it’s been nice having Rae here. And once again, I’m a little sad to see my guest go. I’m also thinking I should probably start blogging about a little more than Lost, huh? They’re making me look like an obsessive Lost fan.
Speaking of which… this week’s episode is probably also why that title is a bit lack. Maybe because it’s how I felt about the episode itself. I have no idea if I’m in the minority on this one, I really haven’t read much online about the episode, but to me it was a bit of a stinker. I’m hoping that down the line I can look back and say, “wow, there was so much going on there that I just didn’t see.”
But to me, this episode was just too thin on plot. It didn’t feel like it went anywhere. I guess one could argue that every season needs its own bit of exposition… and we are just getting to know these Temple hippies. But six seasons in? It’s hard not to feel a little gipped knowing that 75% of Miyagi’s dialog it’s gonna repeated. That’s valuable “what the hell is going on here” time! This episode is only 43 minutes long!
I remember when the prospect of seeing that Temple (back in Season 4) almost exploded my imagination. But now that it’s here, I guess… I don’t know… it’s just not doing it for me yet. Am I alone, here?
I sort of want to make more Mr. Miyagi jokes, but I’m sure the internet is filled with enough already… and I have a feeling the character is actually inspired by Miyagi anyway… meaning that I’m sure the word Miyagi has come up at least 10 times in the writers’ room this season.
Maybe even in past seasons.
Remember back in seasons 1-3 when we often wondered how The Others just happened to be bad ass ninjas. Others like Juliet, who we knew were just ordinary folks back in the real world, able to do extraordinary physical feats on the Island? Someone in the writers room had to have one day chimed in, “Maybe they have a sort of Mr. Miyagi type guy who teaches them all this stuff.”
“Brilliant! We’ll even put some Bonsai trees in the background!”
So I hope you guys don’t mind, but on this blog, Do-gun or Dohgin is probably going to be referred to as Miyagi most of the time.
The big question I keep getting from fellow Lostlings, though, deals with Sayid and the sickness. What I took from the episode is that Claire has become, in a sense, the new Rousseau… and if Claire is indeed “infected” that would mean Rousseau was likely also “infected”.
Now, what “infected” means, is hard to say. But I do think it’s interesting that for 5 season’s we’d taken Rousseau sort of at her word (or at least I had) that her colleagues were “sick” in some way. As crazy as she was, I guess I assumed her friends really were infected. It even seemed supported last season when we watched Montand attacked by the Black Smoke at the Temple.
But I guess I never considered that maybe her friends weren’t infected… but that only she was… and that she murdered her friends in the midst of her delusion.
Damn, that’s sad. What’s up with all the sadness at the beginning here? Juliet crying? Sawyer crying? Sayid crying? Kate crying? Rae crying? Me crying? And I guess it’s sort of spilling into this post, huh? *sniffle*
But what I can’t really figure out is… what’s the danger of this “infection”… outside making a person bat $h!t crazy? I mean, we know Danielle’s condition isn’t contagious. Otherwise, the Losties who were exposed to her would have contracted it. So is Miyagi trying to give Sayid that powdered bonsai tree in order to put him out of his misery?
I mean Miyagi’s only explanation is that eventually the darkness will spread and consume the person. And then the person we knew will be gone. I mean that sucks, yeah! But is that a reason to kill the guy? Is it like killing a rabid dog?
Or is it to prevent Sayid from becoming another booby trapper? Minimizing the danger on the Island? But is that really necessary? Most of them are in the Temple, no?
Here’s another possibility… what if Sayid is faking? What if all those reactions to the poking and electrocuting was just a ruse to convince them that he hadn’t passed the test. What if Jacob is inside of him and he’s just trying to stay undercover? The Undercover Lover……… I don’t know why I felt the need to type that, but I think that’s gonna be my new nickname for Sayid, whether it’s true or not.
One thing’s for sure, I’m not accepting that the sickness is related to The Smoke Monster. I’m just not. I don’t think The Smoke Monster is inside Sayid… I don’t think it’s inside Claire or was inside Rousseau. I think the writers want us thinking something like that… they know we associate Smokey with darkness and evil, and this “sickness” sounds like a bit of the same. But I think it’s a red herring.
Smokey operates differently. He doesn’t take a host body. He mimics a body. Remember, Locke hasn’t been resurrected through Smokey. Locke’s body, unlike Sayid’s, is dead. Dead is dead. Yemi was smoke, Alex was smoke. Sayid is not smoke. Sayid was resurrected, biblical style.
And I think there’s a major clue in the fact that Sayid was resurrected. If Sayid is like Claire, we’d have to assume she was also resurrected somehow. And Danielle too. So there’s something that doesn’t seem to fit.
Hmm.
As for the Altiverse, I thought the guy in the garage who broke Kate’s handcuffs was sort of amazing. Am I the only one who thinks maybe that character is coming back in a surprising way somehow? He just gave a really interesting performance… felt different from most of the “one scene” guest stars.
Also, did you guys notice that Alti-Claire is wearing a wig in the hospital room scene? Maybe they shot the scene after cutting her hair for Claire the Wild Things Are later in the episode.
Anyway, it’s definitely getting clearer that what these characters have experienced on the Island is sort of mirroring itself in this Parallel Universe. I’m eager to see a storyline about a character like Hurley or Sawyer, though, who seemed slightly more “changed” than Kate on the flight. I mean, sure, she does help Claire with her pregnancy, which matches their dynamic on the Island… but she’s still on the run… still deceiving. She doesn’t seem to have grown much… internally. But has she really grown much on the Island? Has she grown as much as Sawyer has?
I feel like the scene with Sawyer on the dock was a reminder… not just of the pain the man has gone through… but of how far he’s come in his personally journey. A man who’s always hidden behind his own set of temple walls, finally after 6 seasons, breaking down in such a quiet and personal way. I thought that moment was pretty great. For me, it was a gem in an otherwise pretty boring episode.
But maybe that’s just my own personal sensitivity.
What’s everyone else’s thoughts on the Episode?


Pauline on 12 Feb 2010 at 9:46 am #
Interesting about Rousseau possibly being infected. What is there to consider regarding the fact that she was pregnant and gave birth after she had to kill everyone? Her baby, Alex was not infected. Can that be explained by the medical fact that some babies who’s mother’s are infected with HIV virus will be born without the virus or is this infection one of a spiritual nature. And if so, is this infection one that makes a person reject the Others and their creepy, violent, religious cult-ian ways and that’s why the other’s won’t have it in their midst?
My friend Jordan and I have been talking a lot about the archetypes on the show and how this last episode just seemed to be going back over these. We say the “Mother/Mama Bear” archetype in Claire mirroring Rousseau. We say that Shaggy guy Lennon mirroring “The messenger/mediator” archetype that we see in Richard. We say the King/healer archetype of Jack mirrored in Doge… I mean, Miyagi. It’s as if the island is a big chess board of Archetypes and as one fails, another is brought to the island to be tested.
Oh… I agree about Jeff Kober. I dedicated a post to him. I wish he’d actually be revealed to be on the island and the one responsible for the boobytraps that Rousseau and now Claire use. He’d be like an Other who’d gone rogue and he’d be gloriously badass as well as emotionally complex.
I also agree on how bla the episode was. It was just sort of a shuffling and repositioning of the chess pieces on the board to get ready for the next game.
Emily on 12 Feb 2010 at 9:56 am #
I agree with you on the Sayid business, I don’t think its Smokey, I’m hoping it’s Jacob. But we have to remember that Christian’s body wasn’t in the coffin when Jack found it. We also know that Smokey was using Christian to get info to Locke. Christian and Claire were both in the cabin at that time, so where does that place Claire in the scheme of things? Plus, we never saw Rousseau die in any way (Claire being blown up in the house, Sayid being drowned, and Christian already being dead). They are definitely trying to steer our mind in some direction (a red herring) but it doesn’t necessarily add up with what they’ve shown us before.
I think this episode was quite slow and lacked plot, but I think it will be really imperative further down the line. I agree with you on Sawyer’s storyline in this episode, it was the best part. To see him breaking over Juliet’s death and the future he had dreamt of them having, shows what an amazing journey he’s had over the past 6 yrs. I will admit with no shame, I cried like a baby.
Catherine on 12 Feb 2010 at 10:45 am #
Yay, congrats to this decision concerning “Buffy”! You won’t regret it. As some of the others said in the other post by Rae, the second and third season are even better!
And according to your list there, you are going to watch “Good Bye, Lenin”! Great decision, too! One of the best German movies, I know. Perhaps you should try it in German, too!
Concerning the “Lost” episode.. I also think that this one wasn’t so great. I was glad that we could see Claire again (not only in Kate’s flash sideways but also on the island!). And especially the information that something dark has grown inside of her like that thing that’s growing inside of Sayid… curious what’s going to happen about that. And what will Kate say when she sees Claire again?
So thing about the “infection” and what you mention about Rousseau. You could be right that she was the one how was infected and not her colleagues… Confusing. But now that they mentioned it and also showed Claire in that kind of Rousseau-style, I guess the writers will let us know soon..
I also agree with you that this infection is not Smokey. I mean, Smokey is Locke or whoever is dead on the island and appears again.. Hm, Sayid was dead and then appeared again. Oh no… didn’t want to start doubting you theory because I also think that this is a trap by the writers. So, let’s assume that Samuel (that was his name, right) is in Locke and Jacob is now in Sayid. Perhaps we are going to see a fight between Locke and Sayid soon? Not Locke vs. Jack anymore… Would be funny if Sayid one day suddenly changes into white smoke..
Rae on 12 Feb 2010 at 10:54 am #
Well now I’m nervous that you won’t like it! Fingers crossed.
I didn’t have as much of a problem with the episode that you did though I did feel like it was mostly filler. Or, rather, staging. Not a lot of forward movement at all. Which may be OK. As long as they don’t keep doing that.
Mona, tho, who I was watching it with had a similar reaction as yours. Except she was a little more vehement about her annoyance with a bunch of new characters at this point in the game.
I like your point about Rousseau and our taking her word for it… what we saw in the past was vague enough to have it go either way. Well except for Robert’s claims that the smoke monster is a security system for the temple. But even then we don’t know if he’s just trying to lull her into trusting him so he can kill her because she’s the one infected.
But I dunno if I quite buy it. I am suspicious of the infection, though. Still not quite sure I trust Jacob and the people at the Temple. Which reminds me, the one thing I found annoying this week was how the urgent need to see Jack seemed to have disappeared once Sayid came back to life. Even when they get Jack on his own later in the episode, there’s no mention of why they were trying to pull him apart from the others. That was frustrating.
Someone else somewhere online (maybe seat42f.com?) pointed out the date on Claire’s hospital chart is Oct 22 which does NOT match up with when the crashed (Sep 22) even though it should be the same or next day. Weird, no?
I wasn’t sure if we were supposed to take Jack’s funny faces as memories or flashes of deja vu last week but obviously we are since Kate was making those faces this week. Which makes me question how the two timelines/universes/whatever work.
Cass on 12 Feb 2010 at 11:05 am #
I totally agree about Claire being the new Rousseau and I hope you’re right in thinking that Sayid and Claire’s invasive “darkness” is not Smokey cuz it just makes me happy to know that. lol. Plus it wouldnt make any sense in comparison to SmokeyasLocke or SmokeyasChristian (as you said, Sayid’s body is not dead.Dead is dead. etc)
Finally what do people think about Ethan in Alti-world or the “flash-sideways” as Damon & Carlton call them?
Interesting thing is that he is called Dr. Goodspeed (aka his real last name as he is Horace’s son) in the flash sideways but Ethan Rom on the island (in the original storyline).
Thoughts?
Rae on 12 Feb 2010 at 11:11 am #
Oh, I forgot! Greg (one of my Lost watching buddies) wondered something that I’d like to hear your (and everyone else’s) thoughts on… Were the shots the Others were giving Claire to ward off the “infection”? Or was it really just something Juliet was trying to bring babies to full term on the island? (I still wonder about that and what caused that problem.)
John Cabrera on 12 Feb 2010 at 11:24 am #
Mmm… I’m gonna make a gut call and say to “bring babies to full term.”
But it’s possible that what’s killing the babies is somehow related to this sickness… or maybe it’s being able to have the babies is what’s related. We know that Daneille had her baby without the use of drugs. Perhaps contracting the sickness somehow allows the women to survive pregnancy and childbirth. Maybe the shot Claire was getting was actually just a bit of that water. Not a lot, but maybe a sort of vaccine amount?
Jenn on 12 Feb 2010 at 11:27 am #
I totally agree with you about the Kate vs Saywer growth. I feel like Kate, and Jack for that matter, are stuck. I remember in the beginning I didn’t really like Sawyer, but now I find him compelling. His storyline has let the viewers get to know and care about him.
I hope you like Buffy. I watched the first episode when it aired on the WB. I liked the show a lot, but around season 4 stopped liking it as much and stopped watching. I tried to get back into into it, but it got to be too much for me again so I gave up (I think it was when it switched networks… if it did switch networks). I bought the series on major discount and am hoping when I sit down to watch it in order I will really enjoy the whole series.
samanthajackson on 12 Feb 2010 at 11:41 am #
I find it funny that in alt-world they are bringing back the annoying doctor who literally blew with the dynamite on the Island (Can’t remember his name right now). I find him funny….. but as we are in JJ Abraams world, I don’t think they are bringing him back just for comic relief….. do you agree?
I didn’t particularly enjoy the episode, except for Sawyer’s breakdown, and the brief moment when I saw Ethan. I just love the guy. Not sure why, but I’m fascinated with him since season 1. And everytime they bring him back I’m so glad. I’d like him to be a key to the plot somehow.
John Cabrera on 12 Feb 2010 at 11:50 am #
Cass, you know, I was trying to figure out what was significant about “Dr. Goodspeed”. I just figured that the writers made him Horace’s sun last season so they needed to simply reaffirm that. But now you have me wondering where the Rom comes from. “Romulus and Remus” maybe?
Reneemarie on 12 Feb 2010 at 12:05 pm #
Now it’s been a few days since I watched the episode….but I do remember being a bit underwhelmed but I generally feel that way when Kate is the main subject. We were also thinking that the infection was sort of like being taken over by another entity…and that maybe Claire IS Rousseau and that Jakob will now show up in someone (I would think Jack being the obvious vessel) So who is taking residence in Sayid? Smokey is in Locke. Right? Jeez, I am so confused but that is only because I’ve watched every second of every show.
Mélanie on 12 Feb 2010 at 12:42 pm #
I also felt like this episode was a filler, which is sad, considering it is the last season and it’s a short one (compared regular TV shows).
I guess I didn’t like that the whole episode was dedicated to Kate… Reminds me of the years I used to watch Smallville and had to endure Lana episode centric… Ugh, To me, they are the same… They had the potential to grow, but never really did. And having Kate run after Sawyer, come on.. She’s clearly doing that because she cares about him, but of all the people, maybe she isn’t the one Sawyer should to about Juliet.
I’m getting a bit confused about the sickness. If Rousseau was sick as well, yes she might have killed her friends, but why not the Losties? I mean, she did end up helping them.
And Claire, when she saw Jin, well I can’t be sure yet, she didn’t look like she was going to shoot him. So what is it to fear from Sayid if he’s infected? I do think if there is someone in Sayid, it’s Jacob. Smokey is already in Locke, right? Can he be at two places at same time? Because when he transformed in black smoke, Locked disappeared and when he was done killing people, he reappeared as John. So I don’t think it could be Smokey.
I think the episode also lacked, because we didn’t get to see ANYTHING related to what was going on with Ben, Sun, etc. But, like yoy said John, maybe later we’ll realize we missed something huge!
I had one last question that popped out of my head while watching Lost. We know Smokey was in Christian, Locke and Ben’s daughter, which were all seen on the Island, even though they were dead. But what about Walt? I mean, we did see/hear him on the Island, even though we know he is alive and away from the Island. So why did he appear on the Island?
If you have a theory, I’ll be happy to hear it
Rae on 12 Feb 2010 at 12:43 pm #
Oooh. I like the idea that the shot was Temple water! But it begs the question… did Juliet know about the Temple? Wouldn’t she have been worried about the “infection” for those 3 years they were living in the past?
BabsiS on 12 Feb 2010 at 12:54 pm #
“Claire The Wild Things Are”
hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was awesome!
Sandy on 12 Feb 2010 at 1:42 pm #
Very interesting that we all made the association that Claire had assumed Rousseau’s role. What is the signifigance of the one Other saying (re:booby traps) to the 2nd Other that Rousseau “Had been dead for years”? Second guy hushes the first as he says it. Don’t want to be a nit-picker, but Rosseau’s baby-daddy WAS infected by something. We got to see her shoot him via scenes with Jin– she was wavering until he tried to shoot her first with the unloaded gun.
Like the archtype idea, as if the Island has particular roles it needs filled.
It may be because the actor is Tom Cruise’s cousin, but I hate Ethan. My association of Ethan Rom is with Ethan Frome, which is a character from Edith Wharton, but can’t extrapolate any meaning since I haven’t read that novel.
Maybe I missed it, but I am still waiting for someone to tell me the differences in world view for the philosophers & scientists mentioned – Bentham, Hume, Faraday, Hawking (last two physicists). Why is Daniel a Faraday when his dad was Charles Widmore and mom was Hawking?
Kansas on 12 Feb 2010 at 2:19 pm #
Interesting fact on character’s names…the guy who looks like a John Lennon look-a-like…his name is Lennon…maybe the leader is Yoko.
Enough of that, I agree, true disappointment in this episode. Usually my friends and I are yelling during commercials about all of our theories but that really wasn’t there this time.
In regards to Sayid, I in no way think it has to do with smokey and I’m curious to see where the story line is going to go with that. When he had died, my friend Mark pointed out that it was similar to a crucifixion and almost christ-like. The water was red, he came out looking like a crucifix, and he was resurrected. i really don’t know what significance, if any that has but I’m curious. I am also ridiculously skeptical of the whole “infection”. Back to Salem witch trials they were “infected” for being against the norm. It could be a red herring the temple people are throwing out to gain an upper hand.
I think sawyer has grown the most this show and the dock was a reminder. In the past, he would’ve forgotten about Juliet by now and would be back pining for Kate. We too joined the group grabbing tissues at that point.
So good to see Claire again, but I’m still worried about that infection nonsense and how that will affect Kate trying to get her back to her son Aaron.
Guess Tuesday is just around the corner right?
John Cabrera on 12 Feb 2010 at 3:44 pm #
Sandy, you’re forgetting the philosopher John Locke, as well. It’s hard to say if there’s any real significance other than insight into the writers’ minds… themes, characteristics, homages.
In terms of Rousseau, I’m with Rae. I think that scene is still too vague. Yes, we saw Robert try to shoot Danielle. But what isn’t clear is who shot the other two members of her team. If Danielle shot them (and I believe first season that fact was established), it’s entirely possible that Robert was simply trying to save his own life from someone he knows is dangerous and incurable… someone who he watched murder his friends.
Sick or not, I find it odd that he would refer to the Smoke Monster as a security system for the Temple… seems like an confusing way to refer to it if you’re trying to make a logical point. But perhaps he wasn’t.
I don’t know, maybe they were all sick.
Kansas on 12 Feb 2010 at 5:07 pm #
Being a college student, definitely get Lost moments in class. John Locke had a political philosophy that does tie into the character. He believed people had a voice and a choice that they were not bound to a monarchy. The biggest thing was he felt that when a government fails the people the people have the right to take that government away and replace it with a better government. This is super clear with the character Locke and how he felt the people had the choice and the right to choose who to follow. This was very clear when the Losties split into 2 separate groups with Jack and Locke. Jeremy Bentham was very similar and some of his philosophy’s shaped much of the modern socialism movement. That could be why the writers had that as Locke’s alias.
I’m not too sure on the others but I remember freaking out during a lecture on those 2 names. Hope that helps Sandy.
dumptruckmolly on 13 Feb 2010 at 10:48 am #
The interesting thing I think about Sayid (and Claire) is that Dogan & Lennon said he was “claimed” – which leads to believe he’s been infected by some source on the island. Whether that is Smokey or Jacob, I guess we don’t know. I lean towards Smokey. I wanted it to get Jacob, but I don’t think the Temple folk would try to kill Jacob. The Temple folk are afraid of Smokey and they want to keep them out, it leads me to conclude that the infection is from Smokey, otherwise they would be scared. That does not mean that Sayid IS Smokey, because what is happening is VERY different.
I still think Rousseau was not “infected” – If the infection brings darkness to the person, I don’t think she would have cared about seeing Alex again. But, I guess we’ll see what happens when we actually hear Jungle Barbie Claire talk. Also, apparently someone needs to be seriously injured in order to be infected… Claire was blown up, Sayid shot… Rousseau was pregnant and seemingly health. I don’t think there’s any real weight to this theory, but we’ll see. But I like the idea that Smokey is “claiming” individuals from Oceanic to infiltrate the Temple and “the Others” – though I want a better name for them now.
The guy who helped Kate is in two episodes of Buffy playing two different characters! I believe that’s in Season 2. He’s intense.
I think Kate is WORSE in the sideways timeline. Pulling guns on people? WTF, KATE?!
I LOVE off-island, nice Dr. Ethan!
The date on her sonogram is interesting, though there’s buzz that it’s a mistake. 10-22-04
I loved Dogan’s talk with Jack about being a leader, as if he was trying to give Jack some advice on what he needs to do to be a leader. I like Dogan.
I thought it was a pretty good episode, though not one that gets you crazed with theories.
Hanna on 13 Feb 2010 at 11:33 am #
Maybe it’s just the Sayid fan in me but I’d so dig if Jacob took Sayid’s body in the crucifixation business and we’d get to see Sayid as this no-nonse-lets-save-the-world mode. But I’m not sure if I really do believe Jacob took his body. That just seems way too simple: Locke dies + black clothes takes over = Locke 2.0. Jacob dies + Sayid dies = Sayid 2.0. Or maybe the writers want us to believe it would be too simple and it’s actually true. Or that…Endless circle.
What is the current consensus of Christian, horse, Dave etc appearing on the island? Jacob or Smokey? If Jacob, were they good, and if Smokey, were they evil? Or could there be another explanation to those, that didn’t include the 2 gentlemen?
As far as the episode goes, I liked the sideways bits but island was lacking big time. They could have made the pillpopping that much more interesting had they used the other medicine that Locke used. Maybe have Sayid go on a trip – also would have made a throwback to s5 – and see if it really was Sayid or someone else.
Hope next week brings the goods again.
Pauline on 13 Feb 2010 at 5:22 pm #
Folks keep mentioning that Sayid looks as if he was in that crucified position when he came out of the water.
Well, for me, I think that if anyone would have taken over Sayid’s body… or was to be resurrected in his body in a Christlike resurrection… I think it would have been Charlie based on all of the Christian iconography that was part of his journey on the island.
There were the Virgin Mary statues filled with heroin and the vision he had on the beach where he saw Claire and his Mother posed as the Baptism of Christ on the beach and then Hurley coming out of the jungle dressed as John the Baptist.
That and Sayid sounds soooo much like Charlie when he first wakes up after being drowned. (oh… and Charlie drowned too.)
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 5:46 pm #
But hold on a sec, Dump, how do we know this “Infection”, this “Claiming”, requires any sort of injury? Danielle says Robert is “Infected”… we didn’t seen him injured in any way. He doesn’t look injured in the scene with her. All we saw was him crawl down into the temple. Sure, it’s possible that he was injured down there, but there’s no real proof, so it’s hard to base an argument on it… in the same way that there’s no real proof that Danielle wasn’t injured in some way that we didn’t see… or that she didn’t crawl down into the temple after the Jin flash. And yes, Claire does get her “bell rung” in that house explosion, as Sawyer puts it, but he also seems to think she’ll be fine. Yes, it’s possible the “infection” has saved her… but it’s also possible that she simply “got her bell rung, but she’ll be fine.”
At this point, we can’t be sure this “Infection” requires any sort of injury. Since Sayid is the only one we’ve seen being “claimed”, the common link could easily be something else from Sayid’s resurrection scene. Something that happened to Danielle, Robert, and Claire, but that we weren’t shown. Perhaps something to do with water?
A friend recently pointed out an interesting comparison between the Temple Spring and the underground pool of water that Ben unclogged to unleash smokey in Season 4. Springs come from water trapped underground, and we know that the unique properties of this Island are also trapped underground (magnetic energy, donkey wheels). It’s possible that the little pool of water is somehow related to the water in that spring. What if someone were to swallow that water?
And what if Jacob’s true form is somehow linked to water in the way that his counterpart’s true form is linked to air? Pauline, this one’s for you… give me some elemental nitty gritty.
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 5:50 pm #
Also, they’re doing everything they can to keep Smokey out of the Temple, so if they think that in some way he’s infiltrated it through Sayid, why aren’t they exiling him? This Temple has been set up as a place that only chosen people, people who are “on the list” are allowed entry to. It’s a very sacred place… our Losties were almost not admitted. They used what we assume was Jacob’s message in the Ankh to stay… a message that places great value on keeping Sayid alive. If Jacob believes that the Temple is the best place for Sayid, why wouldn’t we trust that? If the spring water is supposed to have healing properties and those properties are no longer behaving as they once were, wouldn’t Ghost Jacob have already known that? And if so, why would he think the Temple was the best place for Sayid?
For me, there’s just too much that the writers are deliberately not telling us about this right now… talking around things… and yet still using language like “claimed” that sounds like Smokey to our ears. And since most people were already assuming this was Smokey’s work, that tells me the real answer has a strong chance of being something different… perhaps the opposite. That’s usually the way good mystery works.
Remember, at this point last season, the writers were working very hard to convince us (through Faraday) that you can’t change the future. I think it was to surprise us, when they finally revealed that, at least in a sense, you can.
I think this Smokey stuff will be surprising in some way. I hope more so than any of us can expect.
And this may sound crazy… but I’m still not totally convinced that Jacob is the good guy and Smokey is the bad. We just know that there are two sides at war here. Perhaps there is no good or evil in this story. Just “need”.
Mélanie on 13 Feb 2010 at 6:02 pm #
Hmm Smokey good? Maybe… It’s not clear. It seems he might be just doing ‘whatever it takes’ to get out of the Island, as he said (to Ben I think) in the season premiere.
Mélanie on 13 Feb 2010 at 6:22 pm #
Dump, I have to disagree as well. I doubt it’s Smokey. Maybe they think it is, but I think Smokey can’t be in more than one place at a time (he proved it when when he disappeared as Locke to change into Black Smoke, then reappeared as Locke) and yes, we didn’t see anything related to Ben, Locke (Smokey) and the other group, but I still doubt it’s him.
Is it Jacob? Well that’s the question. Maybe the Temple doesn’t think Jacob can do such a thing, but we do know Jacob is the one who asked Hurley to bring Sayid to the temple. And something about the water and how it’s not working as usual. Maybe it’s Jacob? Maybe a 3rd person we haven’t heard about? And.. what if it’s just old plain Sayid? lol
I guess we’ll need to wait to see (and by that I mean I’m hoping we find out soon!)
dumptruckmolly on 13 Feb 2010 at 6:29 pm #
One thing I love so much about this show is that everything depends on perspective. From the perspective of the plane crash folks “the others” seem like the bad guys, but I’ve always liked the idea that maybe they aren’t the bad guys, but in a way our crash folks are.
We don’t have enough information to determine who is bad and who is good as far as Jacob and Smokey is. I personally really like the idea that Jacob is good and Smokey is bad. From what I’ve seen I think it fits. From my perspective Danielle wasn’t infected, but dealing with really hard situations… and I am fine with the idea that her folks were changed under that Temple. But, we don’t really know anything for sure. Come Tuesday we’ll likely be trying desperately to come up with new theories!
So far, from what I’ve seen, it looks like some form of injury takes place for the “infection” to set in. It makes me worry about Jin and his foot being caught in that trap. Justin said to Aldo, before being shot by Claire, that Jin “Is one of them.” and tried to stop Aldo from shooting him… Which fueled my theory of injury leading to infection.. BUT, it may have nothing to do with injury. It may have to do with being an outsider of the Island.
I like that in a lot of ways Smokey and Jacob are played off as god-like characters… it reminds me of ancient mythology in the way of that none of the gods were really good or evil, they were deeply flawed and used people as toys. It seems like there could be a lot of that going on with Jacob and Smokey. Jacob has not stepped in when it seems like he could have or should had.
I took the stuff with Sayid to mean that if he were to die, he could be at risk of the infection. And they wanted to poison him in order to get rid of him. I took it as Jacob saw that this was going to happen, so he wanted to prevent Sayid from dying in order to prevent the infection, but they were too late.
But… I really want Sayid to be claimed by Jacob. I miss him.
dumptruckmolly on 13 Feb 2010 at 6:57 pm #
Also, in my theory… what Sayid is and what the Smoke Monster is are VERY different. It’s obviously not the Smoke Monster or the Man in Black himself as we’ve seen him… but some other embodiment of him… As if Smokey has claimed Sayid as one of his worker bees. It’s quite obvious that it’s not what we’ve seen in the past as Sayid actually woke up, it’s his actual body. So, this does not require Smokey to actually BE there.
But, again, I would rather it be Jacob… but, why would the Temple folks want to kill someone “claimed” by Jacob, or, why would Jacob make it looks all sketchy like that? Or, do the Temple folks even know what they are doing?
Because they are afraid of this and want to poison Sayid, it leans more towards the fact that it’s at least not Jacob… and to introduce a third party at this point would just be outrageous…
But, I trust the writers can pull off whatever it is they want to pull off in time and I’m sure it will be a total mind f**k.
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 7:14 pm #
Mel, is it odd for me to say that I wouldn’t totally mind if they don’t explain the Walt stuff. I feel like that’s such an abstract part of the greater mystery that I always associate it with hallucination. Maybe I even associate Dave and the Horse with hallucination too.
I feel like they’re going to eventually explain both Dave and the Horse as a manifestation of Smokey. I mean we know the Horse is not a hallucination because Sawyer saw it. But I still feel like they’re in a different category as Yemi, Alex, Christian, and Locke. Ben’s mother too. Only because none of them were on the Island. They almost seem to be “created” by the mind.
I used to think Walt had the power to sort of “create” things that were in his mind. We see him reading that comic in the beginning and in it there are countless things that parallel plot points on the show… as well as my latest (dare I say it) theory that the Island is actually an advanced ship of some sort.
The Others claim that Walt was more trouble than they expected. For some reason, I always thought that meant he had special powers that were difficult to control. Perhaps extra-dimensional powers? Maybe powers of the mind? Perhaps the power to manifest imagination into reality?
I’m just drawing at straws here. To be honest, when it comes to Walt, I’m totally stumped. Anyone have any thoughts?
Pauline on 13 Feb 2010 at 7:36 pm #
Well J, what do we know about the elements Water and Air?
Water is often used for blessing, purification and cleansing (think baptism and holy water). It is a feminine element. It’s associated with the direction West and as such is concurrently associated with Childbirth but also with death. On a scientific note, Water conducts energy.
Air is often connected to the powers of thought and the mind. It’s associated with divination and awareness. It’s associated with the direction East. and therefore is associated with Life (we cannot live without breath). Air is a very poor energy conductor.
So, while possessing completely different reasons for being and having opposite modus operandi, Water and Air, like Jacob and Smokey are neither good or bad and have many similarities.
I agree with you j, about Jacob not being a good guy just because he is associated with the color white. I just can’t buy a dude that basically plucks people out of their already tragic lives and plops them on an island to be chased, terrorized, shot at, held hostage… etc, etc… as being a good guy. From the scene on the beach it just seems like a big game to them… but it doesn’t look like MIB is too willing a participant either does it?
I’m still not convinced that MIB is actually smokey. I think he may control smokey but just because he ducked behind a pillar in the foot does not make him a whispy monster. I tend to think that Smokey is more like Odo from Deep Space Nine and is trapped on a planet where he is forced to shape shift in order to be accepted. Or maybe MIB is Odo since he wants to go home… Maybe Smokey is just their Jem Ha’dar?
What’s that? Did someone just sound the nerd alert?
There is some more info I’m going to dig up on the elements… a Mesoamerican view. Let me know if you’d like to know the results of that excavation.
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 7:38 pm #
Yeah, but a few people have been injured badly on the show and came back from it. Jack and Sawyer being the first two that come to mind. Is Sawyer infected?
And are you saying that the new Jungle Barbie Claire and Tarzan Rousseau are only coincidentally similar? That Claire is all crazy cause of the “infection” but Rousseau got like that from being on an Island by herself for so long and losing her child? They both seem to have the same dilemma in that respect… they both lost their child. But you say the similarity ends there? You’re right, though, I we’re gonna have to wait to find out whether Claire is still searching for Aaron after all of these years. If she still has that in her heart. Cause if she does still care, then by your theory, it would mean she isn’t “infected”, right?
And maybe she isn’t. Maybe she’s crazy like Rousseau only because she too is desperately searching for her baby. Maybe these Temple people don’t know what they’re talking about. Maybe they’re wrong about Sayid too.
Hmm… worker bees, you say?
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 7:41 pm #
Come on, P, you know we eat that mesoamerican stuff for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Itzel on 13 Feb 2010 at 7:49 pm #
Ugh, late as always to these posts. But yeah I agree with you, the episode was weak for me, specially considering they only have 16 more episodes to wrap it up. I find it amazing that the writers could come up with such a weak episode having all the material they have. I mean, by no means is this a ‘Jack’s tattoos’ episode, but apart from seeing Claire and watching the paralells between Losties and alternLosties, there wasn’t much. I really hope they pick up the pace next episode. And yeah, the bonsais are a bit too much…
I like your theory about Danielle being the one infected thus killing everyone. But also just maybe she had something inside her that made her fight the infection. And now that’s the same thing happening to Claire. Also her face at te end of the episode, it showed recognition to Jin, maybe there’s still hope?
Itzel on 13 Feb 2010 at 7:55 pm #
Oh oh oh oh also congrats on starting with BTVS!!! hope you love it like most of us do here! Right Jeannie, Jules? Jeje
Pauline on 13 Feb 2010 at 8:48 pm #
Tomorrow is Sunday so it will have to be for brunch. It’s not quite breakfast & not quite lunch & comes with the Aztec God of your choice holding a slice of cantelope at the end…
Question for you people:
so… If the others get all wonky about burying the dead (or is it THEIR dead) why did Ben & Richard dig a giant pit after the purge & leave it open? Weren’t they worried about the DHARMA people getting infected? Are we wrong about the whole infection effecting dead people or was there something special about the DHARMA people?
TheGamesAfoot on 13 Feb 2010 at 8:52 pm #
I’m going to have to review the episode.
I’m trying to balance the body count with the “appearance” count whether when the island moved or supposed doppleganger-ing like when Ben was judged by Smokey and it morphed into his very deceased daughter/Rousseau’s daughter (which why did she have an accent? Just because her mother was French she was born with an accent??). It seems to me that those who died on the island have all been accounted for in PW (Parallel World).
I agree with everyone that Kate’s character is stunted; I’m over it, show me someone more interesting. Claire the Wild Things Are? I’ll take it!
Sawyer makes sense that he’d grow, he had all that time with Juliet to really find a home, something that I feel he’d never really allowed himself to have. His sarcasm/con always armored him against it. Meh, whatever. The audience is supposed to feel for him now, mission accomplished.
Not everyone who died on the island has reappeared somewhere. Have we seen the blonde sister of Boone again yet? I don’t remember (I don’t remember her name either).
I feel like there has to be a reason (other than actors getting other gigs) for certain characters to be revisited via vision/hallucination/Smokey manifestation; but for the life of me I don’t have one.
I really feel like this whole series is one big leap over a tankful of great whites with blood in the water; and I’m addicted.
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 9:34 pm #
AFoot, first of all, really glad you’ve joined in, even though, I know this will never replace POParitavile.com.
So I take it from your comment, you’re not a big fan of Sawyer? Cause I feel like I’ve always been able to see through the tough guy act to a vulnerability underneath. In some ways when he was at his angriest and most sarcastic is when my heart went out to him the most.
Also, my point about Smokey taking on the form of dead people, is that he can only do it if the body is exposed. Meaning any body that’s been buried would be off limits to Smokey. And that’s why I think last season the Dharma folks seem so obsessed with burying their dead. So Boone’s sister Shannon wouldn’t qualify. Or any of the dead losties, because they were always buried. But Eko’s brother Yemi was left in the plane, Alex was left dead at Otherton, Christian’s body was in a coffin, and so was Locke’s.
But of course, P, you make a good point. Why not cover up the Dharma folks after the purge? Maybe they planned to do so. I mean, if you dig a pit like that, you probably plan to cover it up, right? And just because a body is left unburied, may not mean that Smokey will take it… just that he can. He seems to use these dopple-forms for a purpose. Also, maybe the Others don’t know about the burying thing. Maybe it was only the Dharma folks. They did, after all, know enough about Smokey to build a sonar defense against him… where did they learn that? They also placed some sort of value on the Ankh symbol which does seem tied to Jacob. I remember last season, you had a theory about them being some sort of religious cult. Perhaps a certain spirituality did play hand in hand with their science.
Pauline on 13 Feb 2010 at 11:09 pm #
Oops. Why did I think it was the OTHERS who’d freaked about the burial? It’s making more sense why Richard wouldn’t cover them… but wouldn’t Ben have known or was he to lowly in the DHARMA hierarchy.
I’m suspect of Richard. He was part of the purge… makes me wonder who he’s working for. Ben says he made a decision to kill a bunch of people in one day (obviously the purge) but yet, later it was admitted that someone else called the purge. And why would Jacob purge a people who seemed pretty down with his Ankh-iness?
Fun pre-brunch facts…
In further looking into the Tec’s I’ve found that Tezcatlipoca was similar to the tripple goddesses of various pagan religions. Only he was more of a quadruple god, or a QuadGod, if you will…. OMG! Shut up! I just recalled this… one of my favorite goddesses, the Norse Goddess The Morrigan was also a Quad. She is known as Morgan, Badb, Macha and Nemain. She (they) is also a shape shifter like MIB. So, anywho, the four aspects of the TezQuad are: Tezcatlipoca, Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli and Xipe Totec.
Huitzilopochti known as the god of war, had a messenger named Painal who often took on his master’s attributes at official functions while the big guy was trapped in the underworld or otherwise unavailable. Makes me wonder who he’s really working for. We’ve never actually SEEN him with Jacob, have we?
Oh… and we’ve seen one of the DHARMA-ites acting as the island’s chorus… In Locke’s dream when Horus was chopping down that tree. Wait… why did horus have the map to Jacob’s cabin in his pocket? Where the DHARMA’s the REAL chosen people before the Losties? Does Jacob go out and pick successive groups of people to take on the Others?
Sorry J, I’m treating your blog comment area like the wall behind the stove tonight.
Mélanie on 13 Feb 2010 at 11:13 pm #
Wow way too much theories out here for me to read AND understand at this hour of the night (2am), lol
All I’m going to say is I doubt Claire is infected. I mean, ok, she could – with Lost, everything is possible- but I feel like she may have tried to survive. Though they will need to explain why after the explosion she disappeared. Was she kidnapped? Did she lost herself? Or by the time she could have found the Losties, they were gone and therefore she was left alone on the Island for 3 years? I think this should be explained (I hope) next episode.
Oh and John, I agree with what you’ve said about Walt and his ‘possible’ super powers. And I think we may never hear from him again (but who knows, right?). I feel like it may be the one storyline they dropped in the course of the show and thus might never be explained. But considering how many shows drop storylines casually (*cough* Smallville *cough*), I think I can give them this one if we never hear from it again. Or I’ll tweet Carlton about it
@mpascucci14 on 13 Feb 2010 at 11:18 pm #
This episode was sort of lackluster for me as well. Though I did like a few things. Subtle moments like Kate realizing that the thing between Sawyer and Juliet wasn’t just a fling she could work her way back into. When Dogan told Jack, “That’s what happened to your sister.” I don’t know, that reminded me of old school Lost, where everything was sort of like, Whaaaaat! Plus it was a good reminder of how much these people know about our characters while they know so little about them. I’m not sure if the infection and being “claimed” are one in the same. If so then they clearly can happen in a variety of ways. As far as why Ethan was Dr. Goodspeed, I just sort of took it as he and Amy were evacuated before the bomb went off and Ethan never defected to the others, so he held onto his surname. His last name being Rohm on island, could’ve either been a lie, or his mothers maiden name that he took for some reason. And John, I totally agree that smokey may not be the bad one and Jacob may not be the good one. The thing this show does best is blur that line. Everyone of these characters is capable of both good and evil and their actions always justify their decisions, if only to them, so who’s to say it won’t work the same for MIB and Jacob. Jacob hasn’t exactly been been making things easy for these people, and who knows what he did to MIB. I have a feeling MIB’s logic may make everyone think differently about which side is the right one. All in all just an okay ep. It was good to see Claire, and how the Flash Sideways may actually be leading to something. They all seem to recognize elements of the life we’ve watched them have. Kate recognizes Jack. Her and Claire both recognize the name Aaron. I’m most curious to see how this all ties together.
tami curtis on 13 Feb 2010 at 11:23 pm #
the guy who cut the handcuffs off kate was in an earlier episode as one of the others (probably in one of the earlier seasons). i agree that the latest episode was a bit bland and somewhat disappointing.
John Cabrera on 13 Feb 2010 at 11:56 pm #
wait, whoa, tammy, he was?! Which Other do you mean? You’re not confusing him with Tom and his fake beard, are you?
nelly on 14 Feb 2010 at 4:53 am #
Do you think this will tie into the storyline intro’d many many many many many yrs ago (and never dealt with) about the vaccines that Desmond was taking while in the hatch for those 3 years?
I seem to recall Charlie getting ahold of these vaccines and giving them to Claire to give to herself, or possibly Aron.
Later on, Desmond admits that the vaccine was possibly part of the ruse that Kelvin tells him, involving the HAZMAT suit and the ‘quarantine’ sign on the hatch door. But if the button ended up being real, why wouldnt the danger that DHARMA had to create these vaccines for, also be real?
Also: if these are part of the ‘shots’ that Dharma recruits have to take when arriving on the island, like Ben’s dad was complaining about, then the ’77ers like Sawyer, Jin, would have also taken them.
Could that also tie into why the Purge was started in the first place? Does the vaccine prevent infection/sickness, or maybe from the Others’ POV is the cause of it?
Or the Temple Others could just be extremely paranoid…
Not sure if it was mentioned, but this infection may have been the reason why Widmore ordered Ben to kill Rousseau
It just bothers me that they’re bringing this type of storyline back, so late in the series.
Mélanie on 14 Feb 2010 at 7:54 am #
Unless Tami brings proof, I think she is confusing him, because that’s what I did until I read blogs about the episode!
Plus, according to IMDB, Jeff Kober wasn’t even credited for his Lost appearance and no signs he’s ever appeared in Lost before.
dumptruckmolly on 14 Feb 2010 at 3:12 pm #
It seems there is something that has changed on the Island, something that has changed between Jacob and MIB, which is leading up to all this stuff. Why it wasn’t prevented, I don’t understand. There are a lot of things that aren’t adding up and I think it all really boils down to who Jacob, MIB and The Others are and what they’re really up to.
It seems possible to me that the similarities between Claire and Rousseau are coincidence, but it could also mean something very important. It’ll just depend on what Claire says or does when we see her again. Which would give us a big clue as to what this infection really means.
A lot of these things I don’t have the answers for because it requires a ton of knowledge we don’t have and I don’t feel comfortable making up. But, what I’ve stated before is what I thought about while first watching this episode. I’m excited to see how all our theories flesh out!
At very first glance I thought that the Mechanic was Tom. But he’s obviously not Tom and I don’t recognize him as any Other we’ve ever seen. I recognize him from BTVS. It was Jeff Kober, and he is credited on IMDB for LOST as the Mechanic, but no one else.
Pauline – I think that Smokey is the MIB. He was shot, then disappeared, and the bullet was on the ground and he was nowhere to be seen. He didn’t just hide behind a pillar. He was GONE. Where would he have gone if he wasn’t Smokey?
John Cabrera on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:16 am #
Nelly, You’ve got me thinking pretty hard on this vaccine thing…. it may be related to the spring water. It may BE the spring water… at least the water before it got murky. Hmm. The points you bring up are pretty rad. I especially love the one about the recruits getting the vaccine shots.
nelly on 15 Feb 2010 at 5:20 am #
Very cool!
I forgot to mention it was also never made clear if this was the same vaccine/injections that Ethan was giving Claire during her abduction.
and there was a whole other subplot much later on about Juliet giving her the same injections when she got sick
But that went in an ENTIRELY different direction. Something about it being an implant[wtf?] that made Claire sick on purpose?
I cant remember the details other than it seemed to go nowhere, of course
I wonder if they will tie this with the pregnancy issues [also something that was never really clarified]
Pauline on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:33 am #
I don’t know. I feel like Smokey is more like a body guard or watchdog for MIB. As soon as someone tried to harm FLocke it showed up.
What I saw was FLocke deflect a bullet and then step behind a pillar. Big gun dude walked to bullet, picked it up and then he looked for him but he wasn’t there. (enough time to shimmy away through a secret passage if you ask me… but that is just baseless conjecture.) Then we hear the smoke monster and then it appears in the doorway of the temple where the men entered. (the opposite side of the room from where FLocked had been standing.) Smokey kills everyone while Ben hides. Smokey leaves and I think he leaves the way he came because that is where Ben goes to look… to the entrance. (more conjecture on my part)
And the FLocke appears behind him from near where he seemingly disappeared.
I think Smokey is his pitbullish henchman. Well trained but… smokier.
But then again… I think it’s Sawyer’s destiny to become an eyewear model… so what do I know?
TheGamesAFoot on 15 Feb 2010 at 12:54 pm #
OH YEAH! I forgot that Charlie gave Claire the vaccine!
Sandy brought up something that I wondered for a split second then was promptly distracted by some whooshing by the show; Daniel Faraday and his mother AND father don’t have the same surname! It’s a tiny detail; but it’s bothered me for some time, not sure why.
They have yet to show PW Daniel so I’m not sure if he’s insignificant now. Before, he was a wreck due to his testing accident ruining his brain-pan.
The fact that we haven’t seen any of the old Others mingled with the other Others makes me curious as to that angle. Do the other Others know about the old Others? Or are the other Others the original inhabitants, pre-old Others; or am I off base?
I’m still trying to figure out Richard. He seems like a lackey or pawn in all of this island business. He does what he’s told like a good boy. I wouldn’t put it past the writer’s to make him out to be the mastermind in all of this at the very end.
P.S. POParitaville.com is a good Lost blog for the funny real-time commentary and the hilarious comments by @RabbiMarauder & @JungleJesse. I turn to you, @johncabrera for insight and the hilarity bonus
dumptruckmolly on 16 Feb 2010 at 7:24 pm #
LOST and Buffy similarities! So exciting and so appropriate for all the LOST/Buffy talk!
http://www.movieline.com/2010/02/buffy-lost-similarities.php
Pauline on 16 Feb 2010 at 10:16 pm #
Okay… That is what I needed to see to believe mib was smokey.
John Cabrera on 17 Feb 2010 at 12:09 am #
Yeah, as I was watching that, I thought, “Well, Pauline has a comment to write tonight, doesn’t she?”
And looking forward to the Buffy-Lost comparisons when I eventually get to final season of Buffy. I’m just starting the series now.
Pauline on 17 Feb 2010 at 12:37 am #
To quote Dr. Houseman from Dirty Dancing… “When I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong… You looked wonderful out there.”. Oh, sorry, I got carried away there. Anyway, sometimes I just need to see things more concretely. You’ll understand that about me more when you get to Buffy S7. Pffffft.
I’m getting to the point where I almost just want to sit back and just take what comes instead of trying to figure it all out. My bad robot friend commented on one of my blogs that he hoped TPtB were writing as thoughtfully as I was analyzing/theorizing.
Maybe I should introduce you guys… You may not have a chance to get on Lost anymore but maybe Fringe could use a Cabrera type?
Becca-Ann on 26 Feb 2010 at 11:03 am #
Ethan Rom vs. Ethan Goodspeed- I thought this was a nod to Juliet & Sawyer’s impact in the 1970s, remembering two key events:
1) When they first arrive and meet the Dharma folks it is through Amy, who just saw her husband Paul killed by some Hostiles and may have been killed herself had Juliet and Sawyer not flashed up with their guns.
2) Amy had some serious complications during her premature childbirth. Were it not for Juliet’s super baby-doctoring it seems little baby Goodspeed may not have come into the world.
So while we know Ethan Goodspeed to be Horace and Amy’s kid, Ethan Rom, whose parentage isn’t discussed, could be the spawn of someone else. Perhaps Amy and Paul- like if it weren’t for something that happened during all those headache-inducing flashes their picnic wouldn’t have been attacked and they could have gone on to happily procreate.
Or (and this is how I am leaning) Ethan Rom could be the progeny of a completely different couple – like if Ethan were destined to be born on the island, to whomever, even if Amy’s anatomy wasn’t up to the task. And the couple would probably be non-Dharma, because didn’t Ben killed the whole Dharma Initiative? So wouldn’t that mean Ethan Rom is of Hostile lineage?
John Cabrera on 26 Feb 2010 at 11:48 am #
I like that Bec!