Arron = Jack = Christian

Claire = Jacks mother, NOT jacks sister.

In the Bible, Benjamin (Ben) is Jacob’s son.

The other man on the beach in black is an “Esau” character (Jacobs brother)—from the old testament as well. That’s also why we haven’t learned his name yet. If we had, then it would have spoiled the surprise

both brothers are grandsons of none other than Abraham…as in J.J. Abrams…Jeffrey Jacob Abrams…Abram was the original name of Abraham bitches!

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*shudders*

Anyway around that?

I love the thought of them doing that. It would finally give the “Jack gets a tattoo” episode some real oomph!

For example… if Jack is Jacob… then why were we told the story of Jacob stealing the blessing of his older twin brother Esau’s by killing a sheep his brother was supposed to kill through the story of Sayid as a little boy, killing the chicken for his older brother?

Though… Sayid IS hairy and a hunter not so much of game but of people… so he could be the Esau to Jack’s Jacob…

Another question I have is how do we know that we are talking about the Genesis Jacob and not the Jacob in Matthew? While we do have the warring tribes scenario from the old testament… we do have the messianic imagery from Charlie’s visions of Aaron. It makes me wonder if they’ll ever bring Aaron and Walt back into the story line. From the beginning of the series, to me, it always felt like they were going to pit Aaron against Walt but they have never readdressed it but all this biblical stuff got me thinking about that again.

Thanks for putting it into a way I could wrap my mind around in your last comment John… Oh.. and there might be a way that young Miles will be able to see his older self. If Miles dies on the island young miles would be able to see his ghost… granted young miles would need to be a little older.

also, I’d like to request more conversations with yourself, because that was *awesome*. hee. of course, your blogs are always awesome, so I’ll be happy with whatever you give us.

xo

For example, older Miles can see his younger self, but his younger self can’t really become aware of him, or who he is. Locke’s earlier versions must remain unaware of the later ones (especially since he looks exactly the same and could never fool the earlier one). But the later ones can know about the earlier ones. And so if Christian is an older Jack, then Christian can understand that truth… but Jack has to continue to perceive him to be his father. The question is… what happens if younger iteration DOES become aware of the older? I think the answer to that may be at the root of the Jacob mystery.

Smartacus, I love the idea that Locke is the rival brother of Jack. It’s possible that Jack’s real father was also Locke’s con-artist dad. It could explain how a young Jack could also be left fatherless, and why the Jack we know might change his name to Christian in order to raise him.

Okay, I’m gonna predict something here… but it’s gonna start out with a big IF:

If they do reveal Jack to be the same person as as Christian, Grandpa, or both… it will be shown to us before being told… and it’ll be done so using Jack’s tattoo as the visual.

It’s also why I don’t really read much on lostpedia. It’s good for remembering a name, the exact way an event played out, or pictures you want to reexamine… but all the intricate details… I don’t know… a long time ago I read a page about the Black Rock, and it went on talking about it’s history in such minute detail. I was like, “how the hell does this site know this?!” And then of course I remembered it was wiki… and it felt strange. Less like theorizing and more like reading a video game walkthrough.

How many times did both Jack and (undead) Christian occupy the same scenes? Wasn’t Locke concerned with encountering the other him? Would they have caused a rift in the space-time continuum, or would the two Lockes just not have understood what was happening?

The Granddad scene always bugged me (as it did others) but agree that it could fit in here… And maybe after making another “loop” the character would have just appeared in their lives, just as he did in ours. That makes sense, right?

Also, since I seeing Star Trek I’ve been trying to pull out any comparisons and themes Abrams may have hidden there. [Keeping it spoiler free]

Also you guys are quite right about Gramps being suddenly introduced. Didn’t he say by way of explaining trying to escape the confines of the rest home, that he wanted another adventure?

You can read all about the Jacob/Christian connections at Lostpedia. These people have covered every freaking angle you can think of and probably obsess about LOST more than you (or I) do.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Christian_Shephard

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob

~ Linda

I like all the research that supports one of the Shepherds being Jacob. I’m not entirely certain I buy Jack in that role but I kinda love the idea of what a giant mind-fuck it’d be for him if it’s true.

Okay, the eye thing IS brilliance. There’s so much going for this theory- my qualms keeping me off this plane you speak of have to do with the fact that we have only ONE season left and I’m wondering how they’d fit this big twist in without infringing on all the other narrative points they have to hit before ending the show.

I’ll tell you though, their perfect opportunity to make Jack Jacob may have something to do with trying to detonate a hydrogen bomb on an electromagnetically charged supernatural Island.

*Oh and John, I AM already on the Island. In fact, I am the friggin Island, and I’m on my way to kill Jacob.