Island’s Just as Lost as You – pt. 1
At the first commercial break of the episode, @michaelmuhney and I had this very intense discussion.
Me: I have a question for you, dude?
Muhney: Yeah?
Me: Whaaat… the… f&%k?!
Jeeze! Talk about a scrambler special. That episode was in-SANE. I don’t even know where to begin this sucker. Smokey McLockerfellow? Parallel universes and a bit of gloating? The crew of the black rock, Richard in chains… and a bit of gloating? Sawyer, Juliet, the kiss… and a bit of crying?
How about we start with the part that’s easiest to wrap our brains around:
Parallel Universes. Aww come on, you know that’s why you read this blog. (I’m talking to you, @kelseroo)
Okay, we’re on Level 6 of this video game, so I’m just gonna launch into this puppy. Exactly like they did in the episode. No spoon feeding. We have our wings now, we can totally fly through this brain teaser. We can. Here’s how I think the timeline(s) go(es)…
Last season we had two time periods… one in 1977 and one in 2007. There was speculation as to whether they were different timelines completely… as in, they would never match up… that our 1977 crew would somehow figure out a way to change the course of history and prevent the plane from ever crashing.
But Faraday told us several times (and Miles later supported him) that they could not change the future. What we were seeing were simply events of the past that had always happened. The Losties had always been time looped back to 1977… they just didn’t know it. And Ben didn’t know it… he’d forgotten after being healed at the temple. And, of course, we didn’t know it while watching the first four seasons either.
So… no Parallel Universe, right?
Right?!
Hehe. Aww come on, let me milk it a bit.
Everything up until Juliet detonated that bomb, may very well have happened. The question is whether the detonation itself was also a part of the history of the Island.
But if it was, then it’s hard to rationalize how the events of 2003 could have ever come to be. A nuclear explosion of that size would’ve rocked that Island like the Casbah. The gassing would have never happened. The survivors would have never crashed on the Island. This incident would have splintered the timeline into something new. Something that could never match up with the 2007 we saw last season.
Well, only 10 minutes into the episode and that seems to be the case, doesn’t it?
We know that the timeline the Ajira folks crashed in is the very same timeline our 1977 folks were on. What the Ajira folks encountered last season… all of this was an Island already affected by the presence of our Losties in 1977 (Daniel’s notes at the Hydra, the picture of Kate, Jack, and Hurley as ’77 recruits). And so, in a sense, Faraday is right… you can’t change history… at lease not within the timeline you’re on. That timeline exists from start to finish. It’s already been written… woven into the fabric of our multiverse (<- aww come on, that metaphor's good!)
So then what happened when Juliet detonated that bomb? I mean we all agree, right? There's no way, after a nuclear explosion, that the Island's history could continue the way we've come to know. Where is that Island?
On the bottom of the ocean?
Are those the Barracks after a nuclear explosion? Could be.
But here’s another possibility. And this part gets a little tricky, so bear with me.
Perhaps the explosion didn’t do anything… well at least nothing noticeable to the people of 1977. Perhaps the massive energy of the bomb was absorbed by the Island in some way, simply causing another time jump for our Losties. I guess at this point, it’s hard to know for sure.
But what we do know is that Ben moved the Island. In season 4, he did something, and the Island disappeared before our helicopter escapees’ very eyes.
We assume he moved it in time. But what I hadn’t considered, until last night’s episode, is that he may have also moved it in space… down. Far below sea level. It’s actually a concept @SarahSamudre warmed me to in one of her newest theories… but I’ll get into that more in Part 2 of the post.
Throughout the first half of season 5 we watched our Losties blipping around time periods of the Island. I had always assumed that the Losties and the Island were sort of moving through time together. But… that can’t be. If the Island itself was traveling through time with them… then it wouldn’t be changing appearance, would it? It would look the same. Everything outside the island might be changing, getting older or younger, but not the Island itself… in the same way that the Losties don’t change in appearance as they blip through time. They don’t get younger or older. They’re still wearing their same clothes, right? So why isn’t the Island wearing the same clothes with each successive blip?
Perhaps it’s because Ben didn’t just move it through space (along the 3rd dimension) and time (along the 4th dimension)… but perhaps he moved it to an entirely different parallel universe altogether (along the 5th dimension) leaving our ’77 crew loosely blipping around the history of their own universe until they could finally make it stop.
I had originally believed that the Island we were seeing last season was the one that Ben had moved. But it’s entirely possible… we hadn’t seen that Island until yesterday. Deep at the bottom of the Ocean. On a new timeline… one in which things are a little different. Almost the same… but different.
The stewardess gives Jack one drink instead of two. Hurley is the luckiest guy in the world. Charlie tries to kill himself. Desmond is on board the flight. And it’s interesting to note that some of these traits and circumstances seem at least slightly congruent with the journey of some of these characters on the Island. The most obvious being Rose and Bernard. Rose is a mess on board the plane first season. This time, she has a peace and strength similar to our confident Island Rose. Jack on the other hand could best be described as “uncertain”. And of course, we all know what happened to Charlie on the Island.
But I’m straying from the point.
We’ve been assuming that Juliet’s detonating the bomb would be the act to change history… that would allow the 815 flight to have never crashed… that would “reboot” everything, if you will. But the reboot may have already happened at the end of season 4. Or perhaps further back at the end of season 2 when Desmond turned the key.
All three of those events, after all, have something in common. They all seem directly tied to a massive release of electromagnetic energy living at the heart of the Island. One that makes everything very bright… and comes with strange ear ringing.
So let’s say, just for the hell of it, this underwater Island wasn’t caused by Jughead. If that’s the case then what purpose did the bomb detonation have? It certainly seemed significant.
Well… aside from giving this episode one of the most heart wrenching scenes in the shows history…
Me: Oh you know fans around the country are totally tearing up right now.
Muhney: Dude, it sounds like you’re tearing up right now.
Me: (choking up) I know, that’s what I said, isn’t it?
The bomb detonation may have simply saved our Losties, sent them back to their rightful time by triggering another whiteout flash or “bloop” as @SarahSamudre so eloquently describes them (I call them blips… but I also say tomato and potato).
But then if this is the case… why were they there? What did they need to do there in order to keep 815 from crashing. Well, if you accept this crazy theory that Ben forced the “reboot” by turning the donkey wheel at the end of season 4… then it probably means they needed to create the Ben we all know and love. Something they successfully did or more specifically something Sayid successfully did.
That would make Sayid pretty important, huh?
The irony, of course, regardless of whether it was the bomb or the donkey wheel or the fail safe key that created this new “crash free” universe… the irony is… it’s a different universe. The Losties we’ve been following for 5 seasons don’t get to enjoy any of those changes. It’s almost silly that they thought they could. No, they get sent right back to their own miserable Island present.
But is it possible that despite all of this, our miserable Island Losties have given something very important to the passengers of this new timeline? A Deja Vu of their experiences on the Island? A mental or spiritual link between the two universes that could ultimately help these new characters find their way where the old ones couldn’t?
So, yeah… Parallel Universes… looks like they’re here to stay.
Either that, or everyone’s gonna get a good old fashioned Temple-spring dunking, forget all 6 seasons, and be sent back to 2003 to live everything over again.
Umm… are you guys still there? Do we need to stop here for a second and let everyone catch their breath? We live together die alone, right?
Okay, in Part 2, I talk about Smokey, the four toed statue, why it’s only a foot, Richard in chains, and how the black rock wound up in the middle of the jungle. No parallel universes in this one, I promise.
I’ll have that up tomorrow.





Ash, The Movie Geek on 03 Feb 2010 at 11:08 pm #
I actually told people I thought they’d do parallel universes even before the time travel thing because the bodies planted at the bottom of the ocean made me think about the possibility of all the passengers dying in a different scenario.
But I hadn’t even thought about the idea that they can’t change the future…good insight, but one that adds more confusion;)
stitchlady on 04 Feb 2010 at 3:51 am #
This is too much for me to wrap my brain around. If thgere are 2 parallel universes this is not what most fans were hoping for is it? Its not whaty I wanted to see. Not suire I want top watch a whole season of more of the same. I don’t think the writers really know how to explain everything so they’re going to leave us all hanging.
Rae on 04 Feb 2010 at 3:58 am #
@Ash: I think they can change the future. They just can’t change the past. Or, rather, theirs. Which makes sense now that I think about Faraday’s example of the rock in the water. Regardless of the size of the rock he throws into the stream, the water that’s already past that point doesn’t come back and go by the obstacle again. It’s all the water that comes after that gets affected.
@John: I’m on board with the parallel universes or alternate realities. It seems to be the only explanation right now, no? And I had the same thought as Ash, that it’s the one explanation for the 815 wreckage at the bottom of the ocean that I actually like.
@mpascucci14 on 04 Feb 2010 at 5:22 am #
I gotta say, you’ve got some pretty cool theories in this post! I’m not sure what I think is going on yet. I have a lot of thoughts but nothing I’m too sure of, other than the fact that there were clearly consequences outside of the reboot that no one was thinking about when they decided to blow up the bomb. Whether the bomb going off sunk the island, or them not being there to blow up the bomb and the electromagnetic energy sunk the island, not sure yet. I have a feeling that the bomb going off is what actually saves the island, blips our guys back to 2007, and also causes that parallel universe. Jack looked like he had a huge case of deja vu when we first see him on the plane, and I think that that timeline is gonna somehow connect to the island one, or at the very least show us how much worse their lives would be if they never went to the island. What did you think about Desmond? There was a split second there where i thought he was going to turn to Jack and say, “You don’t belong here.” I’m wondering if he’s now a Mrs. Hawking like character and exists as is in both universes. They did make a point of saying the rules don’t apply to him. What did you make of Locke/Smokey? And the ash circle? I think we’re missing a piece of info about the cabin now. I assumed the ash circle around it was keeping MIB in, but then why could he parade around the island as smokey long before the ash ring was broken? Could he just not connect to his actual body? Or was someone else in the cabin entirely, and the ring was keeping MIB out. I think it’s the latter, but interested to read your next post and see what you have to say on that whole scenario. It seems unnecessary to go through the process of taking over Lockes body…hmmm unless he MIB had no body anymore. Why were the temple others so scared when MIB was back. The smoke monster hung out in temple or under it. I don’t know. Anyway great ep and glad the posts are back!
Tricialew on 04 Feb 2010 at 5:50 am #
I thought that after I finally watched season 5 that I had a grasp on a couple possible theories. I watched every season in succession over a 3 week period so I had the benefit of pausing, going back, looking up stuff every time my brain jammed and said “WTF?” I love your Lost blogs because after reading them, I have to watch the week’s episode again with your suggested theories in mind so they’re like new again. This week, I was blown away, cried a little bit and I’m still confused by what Miles claimed to hear from grave.
P.S. I think you’re right to suggest that Sayid is pretty important; in fact I think he might be the key to everything but I’ll keep that warped theory to myself.
Smartacus on 04 Feb 2010 at 6:24 am #
I am so glad the show is back and that the blogs are back! I am more interested now in the 815 “alt-LOST” people and the changes we all noticed. Charlie looks different, he wanted to die, Hurley feels lucky, Sawyer didn’t seem as cold… he backed off the chance to con Hurley once he knew about the money. As far as the islanders I look forward to a Locke-Sayid face off!!
Leah on 04 Feb 2010 at 9:45 am #
I really hope you talk about how Jacob knew this was all going to happen. How he gave Hurley the case. How he knew Ben was going to kill him. How he visited everyone. I am dying to hear all those theories.
kelseroo on 04 Feb 2010 at 10:40 am #
I live for parallel universes. I eat, sleep and breathe them. I might change my name to Parallel, my middle name to Lost, and my last name to Universe. I’m going to name my first baby Smokey McLockey. Then I’m going to…. ok I’m done:-P
DJSmackMackey on 04 Feb 2010 at 12:56 pm #
What if Miles isn’t talking to the dead? What if he’s communing with the version of that person who is still alive in a parallel universe? I thought of that when he says Juliet said “It worked”. Like he’s talking to the Juliet that is in the parallel world? Way-out-there theory.
Johnny Hugel on 04 Feb 2010 at 1:13 pm #
I agree that it certainly is looking a lot like parallel universes here, but as we know, this can be deceiving. One little wrench would be how would Juliette know that “it worked”? Wouldn’t she have no knowledge of the existence of any other realities?
And to Jack and Desmond’s interaction, did they not remember each other from the interaction in the stadium or did that not happen in this reality? Is their only familiarity due to odd deja vu feeling or awareness of another reality from the island?
I can’t think any further of the ramifications beyond this, but am extremely excited about this season, and your next post. The historical stuff is much more interesting to me at the moment.
Vera on 04 Feb 2010 at 1:26 pm #
Oh, dude!
I just survived watching the season opener without (surprisingly enough) brain malfunction because I just accepted the given fact that I DON’T get ANYTHING anymore, and then you come up with your awesome interpretation/recap/theory thing. My head is smoking now. Hard. I hope there are some brain cells left for your second part – can’t wait for you to explain DarthSmokey Locke. And Jacob. And Sayid. And – you know: everything.
I love this show.
Pauline on 04 Feb 2010 at 1:37 pm #
Loved. This. Post!
I did get a little lost at first but I loved the bit about how the split in reality may have occurred as far back as when the Desmond’s electromagnetic blip brought down Oceanic 815. Also loved the idea of the island, while it can be physically “moved”, does not move through time with the people on the island. Brilliant points that have been overlooked (at least by me… I didn’t even THINK to think about that!).
I have some more thoughts but my brain is still crushed.
John Cabrera on 04 Feb 2010 at 1:45 pm #
I love your theory Smack… and I’m gong to attempt to bridge the gap between it an Johnny’s question.
You all know how I feel about the spiritual stuff on the show. I need it explained via science. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I’m just not a “this guy has magical powers just because” person. But if there is anything metaphysical or spiritual going on here it may live in the concept of Parallel Universes on a whole… the notion that both of these universes are perhaps connected in some way. And that maybe there’s a great unifying force in the multiverse that connects all parallel universes. And that all forms of Deja Vu somehow come from this. Maybe that’s what Miles is adept at channeling.
But I love the idea of a scene late in the season where Juliet is reunited with Sawyer in the alt-Univers and says “It worked”… and then kiss- uh kismet, I meant.
Cass on 04 Feb 2010 at 5:54 pm #
wow your blog is blowing my mind right now
by that i mean, it makes my brain implode with too many theories!! i dont know what to believe anymore!?
ps i was most caught by the comment made to richard by Evil-FakeLocke-Monster Guy: “Nice to see you out of those chains.”
interesting since the only thing we ever see in chains is the smoke monster hmm? hmm? yes quite.
Molly on 04 Feb 2010 at 6:03 pm #
I’m glad you brought up the bit about Faraday saying that either the Losties were moving through time or the Island was. I tried to wrap my mind around this while rewatched Season 5 but I wasn’t sure which it was. The explanation of the Island being moved to the bottom of the ocean in Season 4 is really inventive and I hope it’s true.
On the topic of parallel universes, I definitely think that’s what’s going on here. I wish we still had our resident Physicist to give us insight about that phenomenon.
In other news, am I the only one who cried at the end of the first hour? I didn’t cry about Juliet because I didn’t like her but for some reason this new reality really bothered me. Obviously it’s really good for some people, but it’s also really bad for others such as Charlie. I just kept saying, “This is not supposed to happen!” Does anyone think they’ll continue with this Landed-in-LA-verse or are we just suppose to assume they all go off and live their lives?
Ack, my brain hurts. I’m going to download Skins now and enjoy some teenage debauchery.
loic on 04 Feb 2010 at 6:37 pm #
Wow…
Love the Parallel Universes theory. It’s been building up for a while and I love the Miles (born on the island, right?) hearing over them theory
…which could make Jacob and MIB multiverse travelers.
And maybe Desmond an inconscient multiverse traveler through one of the incident?
…..and the island itself a door between Parallel Us?
…which could explain it moving in space too, not just in time. And all these “powers” of healing etc: exchanges between universes.
Could they be messing too much with the island so that PUs start to collide?? (hence deja vu feelings for some characters in this ep’s plane scenes)
There are so many things left aside in this ep though, like all these “observers” at “war” with Ben, Desmond’s step dad etc… I just hope they are not going to reduce it to a good vs evil battle between Jacob and its black “nemesis”.
I wonder what you make of the disapearance of Jack’s father’s body. Over the island during the turbulences? Wasn’t he an “image” of Jacob in the cabin at one point? or maybe I’m just…lost.
It seems like it all comes down to that “energy”..WHAT is the island. And they keep on saying everywhere that this show is about faith. Without involving God, I feel there is something here that I can’t quite touch yet, Will vs Scientific facts etc…
…Help Me Master John!!!
Itzel on 04 Feb 2010 at 7:56 pm #
Loved the season premiere, loved the post JP. Yes! parallel universes, and I think that’s awesome! of course there has to be some way the Losties and the Flash-sideway Losties become one, and I’m pretty sure the writers will make it so it doesn’t suck. I trust them.
Also, I actually didn’t feel that bad when Juliet died, I kinda already expected it, I mean, I thought she was already dead! so, yeah… but what did make me cry (and made my brother said to me: “why are you crying? this is not sad”) was when the passengers left the plane. Just seeing Locke, getting in the wheelchair, I don’t know, it was just so sad. The way no one knows yet what’s gonna happen, how their destinies will be intertwined one way or another. Oh and I love Locke once again, finally!
So I’m gonna go read the second post. Oh how I missed them!
BabsiS on 05 Feb 2010 at 1:12 am #
Well, ok… I watched it yesterday and loved it. When I saw the island down at the bottom of the ocean I absolutely freaked out on my couch LOL. So did I when these bit%$es drowned Sayid in the temple pool… but he’s back again, so nothing to worry about
I’m so glad I read your post right after watching, because – believe it or not – I was really wondering what’s wrong with Charlie and why he wants to kill himself. I didn’t realize that Jack was only given one extra bottle of vodka, I didn’t realize that Rose was acting all healthy etc. Weird. But now I know.
I actually love this thing about déjà-vues – when Jack is wondering whether he knows Desmond from somewhere. I mean, we’ve all been in situations like that – maybe we all live on a big massive island and every once in a while somebody turns a donkey wheel and… ok…. *rambling*…
But yeah, loved it. And believe me – I teared up more than once
John Cabrera on 05 Feb 2010 at 1:27 am #
Babsi, I have a feeling the Sayid who’s back, is not the Sayid we all know.
Remember, right before Richard took little Ben to be healed from his gunshot wound at the Temple, he told Kate and Sawyer that Ben will never be the same… that he’ll forget all of this… that he’ll lose his innocence.
I have a feeling Sayid is in for some of the same.
Cass on 05 Feb 2010 at 8:26 am #
I think you would love to know that:
Cultural References -
Earth X: The “X” in ‘LA X’ stands for an alternate reality. It is commonly used in comic books including Marvel Comics which have an alternate history/timeline called “Earth X”. DC Comics also had two parallel earths with similar names, Earth-X, introduced in 1936, and Jimmy Olsen’s Earth-X, introduced in 1966.
this is from http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/LA_X,_Parts_1_%26_2
causing ur parallel universe theory to be correct possibly? Also the episode title is very relevant as Damon and Carlton said it themselves on Jimmy Kimmel Live the nite of the premiere (see Jimmy Kimmel’s youtube page for the full interview). They basically said that the space between “LA” and “X” is on purpose but they didnt say WHY.
John Cabrera on 05 Feb 2010 at 11:58 am #
Cass nice find! I love it! Pauline is also digging into similar Marvel stuff at her blog as support for the mythology.
Catherine on 05 Feb 2010 at 12:14 pm #
So, finally watched the Lost premiere. Perhaps it was not such a good idea to do so after being up for more than 24 hours. But couldn’t wait and after reading your posts here I think I have to rewatch them tonight.
Didn’t read your 2nd part yet.
Some thoughts about your post and also the answers here:
@MPASCUCCI14: I also thought that Jack might have a deja-vu especially when he was looking for Desmond after he saved Charlie. But where was Desmond then? He didn’t appear anymore and I didn’t see him getting off the plane. Did anybody see him?
Does his disappearance have something to do with Charlie being rescued from death? Just a theory…
Another thing about Jack: He was bleeding after the plane “didn’t crash”. Where was that blood on his neck coming from? I think this might be important, but I don’t know why…
@DJSMACKMACKEY Great theory about Miles! This would would fit perfectly to this parallel universe theory and would totally make sense..
@Babsi/John Concerning Sayid: I thought that he might be Jacob now, but your theory about Sayid being totally different like Ben changing from a nice boy to a psycho could also make sense. Can’t wait to see how he behaves in the next episode.
Some other questions I have: Why were they wondering about the color of the water in the Temple? They said that the color was not the same like before but they drowned Sayid nonetheless. Did this have something to do with Jacob being dead?
And the stewardess who now belongs to those people in the Temple.. she said that Jack and the others were with her on the FIRST plane that crashed. Was she just differentiating between Oceanic 815 and Ajira or was she perhaps talking about something else? Can’t really describe what I mean.. perhaps those people in the Temple see what happens in time? Were there perhaps several planes crashing or not crashing on the island?
John Cabrera on 05 Feb 2010 at 12:56 pm #
She was just differentiating between 815 and Ajira, I’d say.
Well the spring seems to have been only in that state for a short period of time, which means yes, I’m sure it’s somehow caused by Jacob’s death. And actually, I had sort of perceived the water as being dirty… but perhaps the water IS Jacob. The way the Smoke Monster is sort of a manifestation of air perhaps Jacob is represented by water. Perhaps the murkiness is Jacob’s essence having returned to the water. That would mean that Jacob is probably in Sayid now.
My guess is that normally, when the water was clear, it would have simply healed wounds. The way it probably healed little Ben. The Japanese man would have put his hand in the water and his cut would have been healed. Sayid would have been dunked and his wounds healed. But that didn’t happen to Sayid. Instead, perhaps Jacob took his body as a new host. If so, the water would become clear again. I suppose we’ll find out next week.
LindyK on 06 Feb 2010 at 8:25 pm #
Yowza, was this a mistake reading this? Just kidding, but boy this is harder to follow than the show! LOL. RE: show, I kind of just go with it at this point because I have no idea what is going on anymore.
Interestingly, I always thought the island was moving in space, not time, so this is a new notion, that it is moving both ways, and that the time shifts may not have been the folks but the island. The island being shifted to the bottom of ocean is a great theory.
A couple of very small things stand out for me:
1) WATER. I believe, as well, that Jacob’s essence is in the water – and both Charlie and Sayid had death encounters with water (then rebirth with Sayid). Actually there is a lot with water throughout the series, although they are on an island, so not sure how much that might play in.
I also wonder if the inability to have a baby on the island is connected to water somehow.
Of course, everything was the opposite on the plane,but rather than being opposite, I was wondering if it was more like things were turned inside out, so don’t know if that is a new way to look at it. (??)
I believe, in the end, they will try and wrap it up in a way that makes general sense, so I am not sure how complicated they will get with all these parallel time travels.